Gordon B. Hinkley (LDS Prophet) comments on War

www.lds.org ^ | April 7, 2003 | Gordon B. Hinkley

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***We come to share the true restored Gospel.****


Marcion the heretic claimed to have restored the gospel.
Paul of Samosata claimed to have the true gospel.
Mohammed of Mecca claimed to have the true gospel.
The Bogomills claimed to have the restored gospel.
The Cathati claimed to have the restored gospel.
Anna Lee of the Shakers claimed to have the restored gospel.

Every generation has some so-called prophet who claims to have "restored" the true gospel.

Yet a quick study of the history of Christianity shows the
True Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ was NEVER lost.
"The gates of Hell shall never prevail against it"
you claim the gates of hell DID prevail against it making Christ a LIAR.

[Spiff]

you claim the gates of hell DID prevail against it making Christ a LIAR.

No - the creeds of men did that.

Anyway, how come no one can meet either one of my challenges!? Hmmmmm?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Wow, you just brought back memories! I had forgotten that the Star Spangled Banner was played
every morning and evening on campus, and we ALL stopped with our hands over our hearts. And
waited for the anthem to be played.****


So? Before WWII the pro nazi German-American Bundt did the same thing.

[Revelation 911]

Don't you have a reverend or cardinal or something to pay? (I wonder why it is there's no mention of reverends or cardinals and such in the Bible. Nor the part about them earning a regular paycheck. Hmmmm. )

hey spiff - looks like the mod thought you were bashing in #50

[Myrddin]

Is there some reason you've decided to wage a religious attach on me? Stuff it. I've got more important things to do.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****Is there some reason you've decided to wage a religious attach on me? Stuff it. I've got more important things to do.***


I've never had to attack anyone. They merely pontificate a doctrine or false belief and if it is wrong I answer with Bible scripture.
I merely showed you that there are many false religions and doctrines floating around. Others are better equiped to attack mormonism and Jehovah's witnesses. I prefer to defend bible doctrine.
A few weeks ago a JW stopped by my house and bagan to tell me of his religion. I answered with bible truth, no attacks against him yet he became extremely agetated.
We live in a world with so many false relions one has to know the scriptures well just to defend yourself.
If one wants to attack mormons buy a Tanner book. If one wants to defend Christian doctrine, READ THE BIBLE!

[Myrddin]

I did nothing to provoke or invite any interaction with you on scriptural issues. I made no mention of scripture. Perhaps you simply screwed up by misdirecting a reply intended for someone else.

[Myrddin]

It appears you were having a scriptural argument with Spiff. That matches an adjacent attribution in your post to me.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I think you may be right. Sorry about that.
I do enjoy discussing the Bible and I hope to pique one's interest in it in hopes that they will begin to read and study it.(even if it's only to prove me wrong.)

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I think you may be right. Sorry about that.
I do enjoy discussing the Bible and I hope to pique one's interest in it in hopes that they will begin to read and study it.(even if it's only to prove me wrong.)

[restornu]

Was that the whole quote?

[Revelation 911]

did you get your "my message light" fixed?

Hit the CPU even harder & if you can - do it with a magnetized ball peen hammer (Italian speed wrench)

lemme know if that helps

Its ok - Im italian

[restornu]

That was not the questiong, but should I expected more from a man who replies with antagonism!

Inspite of all of this I know I have not been, nor spoke unkindness to you Rev 911!

[Alex Murphy]

I suppose he forgot the scene at the last supper when Jesus told the twelve that one of them would betray him, and none of them knew who it was. "...is it I Lord?...". At the time, none of the twelve Apostles knew Judas was the betrayer. Where was the "spirit of the Lord" in them?

I think it's pretty cut-and-dried in the gospels that at least one of the twelve apostles knew who was going to betray Jesus. You honestly don't know which one the gospels identified as knowing in advance?

[DJermano]

Gordon B. Hinckley confirmed my belief that the Church is a center of hypocrisy when it advocates the support for War. It is clear he follows scripture writings instead of the teachings of the Lord. The Lord neither said he did not bring peace but the sword, but was written by Matthew, someone who was quite distraught to seeing his Savior freely go to the cross. As a matter of fact Jesus told them to put away their swords as he healed the soldiers ear they cut off before taking him away.

It is my belief (and have left the Church because others do not agree) that Religion represents nonviolence even in the face of persecution, for it is Jesus who followed that same course. He conquered hate by love, not by acting in violence toward his aggressor. He lives today. I say we who believe without works have no faith. Those who act in War have no faith. I stand to believe that War from Government has made Churches in America no better than the Islamic Jihad whom we claim to be antirelgious. Is not the Mormon Church the same! It is not a question but a revealed fact, as leaders and Church Presidents talk in riddles and support the framework of hypocrisy. Thanks I will not accept the model of War, let alone accept the tatoo medal of freedom from War inspired Presidents.

Please seek the Lord in his example, and you will see your error. The Lord is not hypocrisy!

[DJermano]

Gordon B. Hinckley confirmed my belief that the Church is a center of hypocrisy when it advocates the support for War. It is clear he follows scripture writings instead of the teachings of the Lord. The Lord neither said he did not bring peace but the sword, but was written by Matthew, someone who was quite distraught to seeing his Savior freely go to the cross. As a matter of fact Jesus told them to put away their swords as he healed the soldiers ear they cut off before taking him away.

It is my belief (and have left the Church because others do not agree) that Religion represents nonviolence even in the face of persecution, for it is Jesus who followed that same course. He conquered hate by love, not by acting in violence toward his aggressor. He lives today. I say we who believe without works have no faith. Those who act in War have no faith. I stand to believe that War from Government has made Churches in America no better than the Islamic Jihad whom we claim to be antirelgious. Is not the Mormon Church the same! It is not a question but a revealed fact, as leaders and Church Presidents talk in riddles and support the framework of hypocrisy. Thanks I will not accept the model of War, let alone accept the tatoo medal of freedom from War inspired Presidents.

Please seek the Lord in his example, and you will see your error. The Lord is not hypocrisy!