Where Have All the FR Protestants Gone?

drstevej

[drstevej]

OBSERVATIONS:

[1] There seems to be a significantly reduced number of Protestant Threads (KJV Only being the exception for sure) in the FR Religion Forum.

[2] There seems to be a reduced number of FR Protestant posts in the Religion Forum.

This thread is a place to discuss these observations.

[Conservative til I die]

OK, this is my last post on the topic, because honestly I've had enough of religious threads and am even growing sick of myself on religious threads. So here goes...

Many Mormons and Catholics run to the moderators to complain that their faiths are "getting bashed" during every rigorous religious discussion.

I can't speak for Illbay, but I personally rarely hit the abuse button. Maybe once or twice a week out of what I would say conservatively is a thousand religion posts I read a week. The only time I hit the abuse button is when someone's really gone over the edge. For example, someone trotting out the old "Church as Nazi collaborator" line wouldn't get the abuse button but someone calling the Pope a Nazi or an anti-Semite personally responsible for the death of 6 million Jews probably would. Especially if it's on a thread having nothing to do with the holocaust or the Pope, which frequently happens. It's the blatant offensiveness and the off-topic'ness or the attempt to hijack the thread that gets the abuse button pushed.

And even then, it's solely at the discretion of the moderator to pull the post. I don't personally pull the posts, and I don't have any friends that are moderators. Some of the posts I've hit the abuse button for have gotten pulled, some get warnings, some get ignored. Like I said, it's at their discretion, so if you feel that too many posts are being pulled, take t up with the moderators or the site owner.

Protestants "get bashed" not for their religious beliefs, but because they dare to engage in the debate at all.

Then we must be reading different threads. I see Catholics complaining when a Protestant rather snidely uses loaded words that are considered derogatory by Catholics, such as "Papolatry," "Mariolatry," "Romish," "Romanist," "Papist," and the rarely used "Popish," or refer to Communion wafers as "Christ cookies." That's just plain disrespectful and I have to believe that outside of ignorance, these words are intentionally used by certain Protestants to provoke and piss off Catholics. Some Catholics, including myself are guilty of doing the same the other way, calling people "Fundies" among other things (I honestly can't think of too many right now, as frankly, it's not as prevalent as the Catholic bashing words used) and you know what, I promise I'll stop using any loaded words, because it's not right either way.

[nate4one]

Elsie, My point was that it DOES sound familiar. Yet God REVOKED, CANCELLED, ENACTED CURSES even after He made that promise. A JUST God can envoke a curse and revoke a covenant if He so choses!

Post..
Paul makes it clear in Romans that the true Jew is one with a heart circumcized not by human hands.

I agree with this. However as in the old testament, the covenant was only to the circumscision, the jew by nationality. In that sence the covensant went to those who were born of faith. Just like the covenant with Eli went to Samuel.

[restornu]

A Friendly Greeting to Rev Hello!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

There's bad apples in any/all groups:), my only point for ever bringing it up is to get Catholics to see WHY these misconceptions abound about the Catholic faith. IMO, and this will probably bring me under fire again:), it's catholics themselves that cause them, by their actions and language. (I am not speaking of bad language). i.e. The difference between veneration and worship is so minute, On the NES, there was a huge discussion on the word "scandal" What does that word mean to you? There have been other word discussions, and it seems to me now that the catholics have their own set of definitions, but then seem offended when non-catholics accuse them of spinning when they use these words.

Becky

[Notwithstanding]

Now wait a minute - why was one sentence containing a licit Chrisitan use of the word "worship" lifted from ONE papal document from 1904?

I know why: to (slanderously?) "demonstrate" that the pope officially encouraged "Mary worship".

Most folks understand that dinner is not lunch, although the same foods are often eaten at both meals. I suspect you were not the dense chid you are claiming to have been.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

You wait a minute.....:) I did not bring up the word worship from the document. That was not my argument. I was just pointing out that I never said they taught me that Mary was divine, or that I thought of her as divine.

Becky

[Notwithstanding]

The difference between

actual "worship" (what you render to God)

and

"veneration" (what you render to things or people whom you deeply respect)

is EXTREME.

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This is so for all persons - Christian, Catholic, Jew, etc.

It is not unique to Catholics. You, Becky, might venerate your grandmother, or your beloved pastor, or the president, or the person who helped you understand what life is all about, or the Constitution, or your own printed COPY (a created thing) of the Bible. Or something or someone else. These are all licit things to venerate for any Christian and do not in any way diminish the worship given to God alone.

You are trying so hard to pretend that you could not have known the ifference - and I do not buy it. I would say that this is an after-the-fact repressed-memory-syndrome thing that you use to justify your rejection of the Church.

[Notwithstanding]

Hey wait a minute - the PRIMARY definition in Websters unabridged dictionary has been ignored by this "clever" poster.

(I wonder why....)

[Notwithstanding]

What is SOOOOOOOO funny is that I have been sitting in a room containing years 1909-1908 of the latin encyclicals.

Too bad the volumes don't go back a little further.

[Notwithstanding]

1909-1980

[Quester]

You are trying so hard to pretend that you could not have known the ifference - and I do not buy it. I would say that this is an after-the-fact repressed-memory-syndrome thing that you use to justify your rejection of the Church.

Don't mind him/her, Becky. Clearly, he/she hasn't quite gotten the bugs worked out of his/her omniscience software package yet.

Most folks understand that dinner is not lunch, although the same foods are often eaten at both meals. I suspect you were not the dense child you are claiming to have been.

Sorry, but you never thought this was "worship of Mary" until someone with ulterior motives told you it was

Sorry, your claim is pure bs.

You were not taught to worship Mary. End of story.

[Notwithstanding]

Sorry buddy just like no one ever "told her the difference," so too, no one ever specifically told her that Mary was equal to God, to "worship" Mary, or that what she was doing vis-a-vis Mary (acts of veneration) was the same as what she was doing vis-a-vis God (acts of worship). Its a device she invented (or her pastor, etc. invented for her) to avoid dealing with her rejection of Christ's Bride, the Church.

[Notwithstanding]

"I was never taught that the rituals we participated in were NOT meant to be worship."

But by your own admission, you were never taught that the rituals you participated in were MEANT to be worship. Its somethign you assumed and did so despite the fact that your Church's liturgy focuses on Christ and reserves all worship for Christ exclusively. And despite the fact that your Church's church buildings and art exalt Christ over all others.

At some point you are responsible for yourself, Becky. Blaming others is what people with psychoanalysts do.

[Notwithstanding]

Please visit - see 631.

Typical calumnous lies.

[Notwithstanding]

Please visit - see 631.

Typical calumnous lies.

[restornu]

Thank you I like to have a laugh in the mist of inclement weather!

It is good to share a smile like a toast our health and disposition!

[Quester]

Really ... do you think that you know everything which has occurred under the auspices of your church.

If you didn't know about the molestations, how can you be sure about this ?

[Notwithstanding]

What illogic.

I will respond, nevertheless.

1. Becky is the source of my assupmtions - they are not even assupmtions - she admitted what you imply are assumptions.

2. In your mind the sins of individuals disprove doctrines of the Church.

You might be better to post that the current pope drools. Its more logical than your previous post.

[Notwithstanding]

By Becky's own words, no one ever told Becky that she should "worship Mary." End of story.