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AH SO.

Will only repeat what I've said otherwise on FR.

I love the story of my Best Man's Father--who's grandfather had the farm across the fence from Joseph Smith in Palmyra New York.

Smith's associates or he came up with the idea of impressing the troops by walking on water. So his associates arranged some chicken wire just under the surface of the lake. But when Smith got out a fair distance, someone undid/cut the wire and his 'miracle' suddenly fell through.

And, I'm not at all impressed with the what--3-4 convictions on the court records for Smith defrauding various none too bright farmers out of a grubstake "to buy equipment" to dig up "secret treasure" on the farmer's lands per Smith's purported "old secret map." I think the Tanners did plenty of good research on that.

And then there's my own experience with the donation to the Univ Library Special Collections dept I was acting head of--by a Mormon pioneer who died not long thereafter. He had some original journals etc. of the--I forget the term--WHITE RIVER MASSACRE??? wherein B Young encouraged 123? nonMormons to be killed--men, women and children.

The local Flagstaff congregation's elders/Bishop tried to get the University library to donate the materials to the church. Of course, we refused. Then they tried to threaten legally until they realized that was futile. Then they evidently tried to steal them. Very impressive.

I'm also not very impressed with the doctrine that some people are so evil that the Mormon does the evil person a favor by shooting them or cutting their throat or whatever so that the evil person sheds his own blood because Christ's Blood is not sufficient to cover THEIR evil. Talk about Blasphemous!

My PhD Chairman was a Mormon. Brillaint fellow. And I used Mormon George Kelly's grid stuff in my research--more brilliance. Truly.

In spite of Mormons used to insisting that the Book of Mormon was never revised--it has been through at least what--5 revisions? My Chairman was at least honest with himself most of the time. I once asked him how he dealt with himself--in his own mind the contradictions between the different versions etc.

He paused and said that life was sooooooooooooooo complex that just about any cockamaymee explanation would do.

I think that explains Mormonism quite well.