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To: drstevej
To worship as God someone other than the God of the Bible is idolatry. Islam is not ignorant of the God of the Bible, they reject Him and substitute an alternative. Islam is idolatrous.

No. The God of the Bible is the Creator. And that is the God that Islam worships. They misunderstand Him, to be sure.

Here I completely disagree with your assessment, AC! Remember, you're a Special Papal Assistant to Pope Peil!

You should be a lot more selective in your appointments!

88 posted on 03/31/2003 1:32:13 PM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
So every religion that worships a god who is a creator worships the same one? 

What if they worship a pantheon of gods involved in creation, is that the same God?

How about...


IZANAGI and IZANAMI Creator god and goddess sent down from heaven to build the earth. The other gods and goddesses are their descendents, but when the god of fire was born he burned his mother to death. Descending to the underworld, Izanami became old and ugly. Izanagi followed her to bring her back, but she forbade him to look at her. Izanagi looked anyway and Izanami tried to imprision him in the underworld. Pursued by Izanimi's furies, Izanagi escaped and sealed up the entrance to the underworld with a boulder. Enraged, Izanami vowed to kill a thousand of Izanami's subjects a day, and Izanami vowed to create fifteen hundred a day. So it was that Izanami became the goddess of death and Izanagi became the lord of life. 

Or....

In one Egyptian creation myth, the sun god Ra takes the form of Khepri, the scarab god who was usually credited as the great creative force of the universe. Khepri tells us,"Heaven and earth did not exist. And the things of the earth did not yet exist. I raised them out of Nu, from their stagnant state. I have made things out of that which I have already made, and they came from my mouth." It seems that Khepri is telling us that in the beginning there is nothing. He made the watery abyss known as Nu, from which he later draws the materials needed for the creation of everything.

. . . . .He goes on to say, "I found no place to stand. I cast a spell with my own heart to lay a foundation in Maat. I made everything . I was alone. I had not yet breathed the god Shu, and I had not yet spit up the goddess Tefnut. I worked alone." We learn that by the use of magic Khepri creates land with its foundation in Maat (law, order, and stability). We also learn that from this foundation many things came into being. At this point in time Khepri is alone. The sun, which was called the eye of Nu, was hidden by the children of Nu. It was a long time before these two deities, Shu and Tefnut were raised out of the watery chaos of their father, Nu. They brought with them their fathers eye, the sun. Khepri then wept profusely, and from his tears sprang men and women. The gods then made another eye, which probably represents the moon. After this Khepri created plants and herbs, animals, reptiles and crawling things. 

Then again we have...

In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again. 

When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

 

So are Izanagi, Khepri and Pan Gu the same creator God you pray to?

94 posted on 03/31/2003 1:54:35 PM PST by drstevej
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To: american colleen
The God of the Bible is the Creator. And that is the God that Islam worships. They misunderstand Him, to be sure.

The Bible speaks of false prophets. All you need to do is look at the life of Mohammed ---the murders he committed, the lust, sex-slaves, child rape -- to know he could not lead people to the true God, not even an impartial revelation of the true God. He claimed Jesus was only a prophet but proclaimed himself as a greater prophet. Mohammed was far closer to "Emmanual" aka David Mitchell of the Smart case than he could be to a true prophet, there to steer people away from the true one God. If Mohammed was alive today in America ---he'd have to in prison for the crime of child rape (a 6 year old) among many other things.

107 posted on 03/31/2003 5:13:27 PM PST by FITZ
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