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To: american colleen
Who are the Hindu Jainists???

Sorry, there was supposed to be a "/" there. There are Hindus who worship only one god (they see all others as just symbolic aspects of one true god), and the Jainist philosophy is a form of monotheism.

The name "Allah" is used by middle eastern Christians as well

That's true, but they do so incorrectly. "God" would properly be translated into Arabic as "Ilah", not "Allah" (the latter being the proper name for a particular deity, translating it as "allah" is as serious a mistake as translating it as "Jupiter" in latin). The use of "Allah" by arab Christians is a symptom of Islamic domination of the region, nothing more, and that name was not used before Islam came along.

The Moslem Allah has no historical ties to Marduk...

That depends on how you define "Moslem Allah". Allah pre-dates Islam, as the name of a member of a pantheon of deities. From an archeological standpoint, its history can be traced back to the sumerian Enlil (and thus the connection to Marduk, the actual progression being Enlil, Be'IL, Al ILAH, Il-hallabu, and finally Allah).

I will state again. The Moslems believe in ONE God who created all

So what about a satanists who believes that Satan was really the creator (and the Jewish god a pretender to the throne)? Is she actually worshipping the God she thinks is a false god? Does the act of worshipping a monotheistic god Make that god the true God?

The doctrines of Islam concerning God — His unity and Divine attributes — are essentially those of the Bible

The Catholic Encyclopedia is misleading (i.e., wrong) on this point.

65 posted on 03/31/2003 10:00:39 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Technogeeb
Here's what I found on Jainists:

The Jainist, like the Buddhist and the pantheistic Brahmin, takes for granted the doctrine of Karma and its implied rebirths. He, too, views every form of earthly, bodily existence as misery. Freedom from rebirth is thus the goal after which he aspires. But, while the pantheistic Brahmin and the primitive Buddhist looked for the realization of the end in the extinction of conscious, individual existence (absorption in Brahma, Nirvana), the Jainist has always tenaciously held to the primitive traditional belief in a final abode of bliss, where the soul, liberated from the necessity of rebirth on earth, enjoys forever a spiritual, conscious existence. To attain this end, the Jainist, like the Buddhist and the pantheistic Brahmin, holds that the traditional gods can aid but little. The existence of the gods is not denied, but their worship is held to be of no avail and is thus abandoned. Salvation is to be obtained by personal effort alone.

I can't imagine how you can link Jainism and Islam. I see no parallels here.

"God" would properly be translated into Arabic as "Ilah", not "Allah" (the latter being the proper name for a particular deity, translating it as "allah" is as serious a mistake as translating it as "Jupiter" in latin). The use of "Allah" by arab Christians is a symptom of Islamic domination of the region, nothing more, and that name was not used before Islam came along.

Christians who speak Arabic pray to "Allah". "Allah" means "God" in Arabic. Does that mean that God does not hear them because they have His name wrong (according to you)? And the name "Allah" has been found in archealogical digs as the name of the One Creator long before Islam existed.

So what about a satanists who believes that Satan was really the creator (and the Jewish god a pretender to the throne)? Is she actually worshipping the God she thinks is a false god? Does the act of worshipping a monotheistic god Make that god the true God?

What?!? I have no idea how this statement fits into our discussion.

OK. Here is the bottom line for me. Muslims have a mistaken notion about the characteristics of God. But so do a lot of other religions. Does God not hear their prayers because their beliefs about Him are wrong?

68 posted on 03/31/2003 10:59:48 AM PST by american colleen
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