[NYer]

The facts are well known, if one would take the time to learn. Yet the Pharisee has a penchant for turning ones eyes from anything that will reveal his opinion to be an absurdity. Even authoritative texts matter little if they can be simply brushed under the rug of bigotry.

Perhaps this article will provide a clearer understanding of the gesture made by John Paul II and put to rest the papal bashing so prevalent among certain members on this forum.

[NYer]

The Pharisee is more comfortable with executing judgment than mercy which is considered a complicating factor. He prefers a simple world where one always knows what to do. That makes debating easier; and our modern Pharisee loves to debate.

Bring it on!

[tiki]

To debate them is to feed their pride. Better to sincerely pray for them often. It is tragic beyond words when truth itself is inconsequential to the act of debating

I learned this pretty fast. LOL

[FITZ]

Inter-religious dialogue is a part of the Church's evangelizing mission

I just got home from Mass but I still don't believe the Pope should be kissing the Koran. Why isn't he evangelizing the Muslims, trying to save their souls? Wouldn't that be a better way of showing respect for them? If he tried to show a better way?

[Litany]

Thank you for this post. I have been praying and struggling with this for months. It has helped to clarify things for me.
L.
:-)

[FITZ]

I don't think in his good days, he would have kissed the book of Marx to show respect for Communists or to reach out to them. He was at one time a staunch anti-Communist and he helped bring down Communism not by kissing their books but by standing defiant againt that ideology.

[ultima ratio]

More excuses for the inexcusable. Christian martyrs died because they refused to do less than what this Pope has already done. This papacy has talked a lot about Catholicism's "fullness of truth." But when push comes to shove, it hides that fullness under a bushel in order to homogenize the faith and blend in with others. It preaches sycretism, pure and simple.

[RnMomof7]

The Pope kissed the Koran. Our new version Pharisee immediately salivates. He is ready to pounce and add such an indictable emblem to his files. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist?

The Muslims worship a false god. The pope honored that god..

Exd 20:2   I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exd 20:3   Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

  Exd 20:4   Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:   

  Exd 20:5   Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 

Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.

  Psa 44:20   If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;

  Psa 44:21   Shall not God search this out?

2Cr 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

The koran that was kissed is an addition to the word of God

Rev 22:18   For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:   

2Cr 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

[narses]

Hand was banned from FR for his baiting and flaming. He misrepresents the truth too often for my tastes, and defends the Pope rather than the Faith. There is no denying this Pope's ecumenical spirit. There is no denying the fact that the Curia no longer sees a need to reconcile schismatics and heretics to Rome. VATICAN CITY, March 29 -- Pope John Paul II said today he hoped that the human tragedy of the war in Iraq would not set Christians and Muslims against each other and spark "a religious catastrophe."

"War must never be allowed to divide world religions," he told visiting Roman Catholic bishops from Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country. The pope said good inter-religious relations were important "at this moment of heightened tension in the entire world community."

[D-fendr]

Thanks for the post.

Religion should not be used as a basis for war. We can tolerate and respect other's religion, while we disagree. If we wish others to listen to us we must be willing to listen to them.

This goes for Christianity and for Islam.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

WHEN THE POPE KISSED THE KORAN

Did he do it again? :)

Hey 4 years after the fact, you guys spin machine is running behind. :)

BigMack

[onedoug]

I would hope not to be thought a Pope-basher, but insofar as he sees the UN as a moral agent, I certainly and profoundly disagree with him.

[Illbay]

How many times is this **** going to be posted on FR?

Next up: Why Joseph Smith Was Satan, Part XXXIV

[Jael]

He kissed it. No matter how anyone tries to excuse it away, he planted one right on it.

No excuse for that. Ever.

[Dajjal]

[GraniteStateConservative]

He can kiss whatever he wants. My problem is that he doesn't spend much time at all speechifying about how evil Hussein's regime is, how it harbors terrorists, how it supports those who seek the total destruction of Israel, how it tortures its own citizens in the most sickening ways possible.

He's got a hell of a bully pulpit and he doesn't use it to bring earthly judgment to people like Hussein and those in his Ba'ath Party. None of these Islamists, none of these dictators would think twice about destroying the Vatican, the Pope, and every Catholic on the planet. I think he acts out of fear and his comments that he's worried about relations between Muslims and Christians supports my view. He should be courageous.

[Aquinasfan]

In Catholicism, if the Neo-modernists are the Saducees, i.e., the rationalists who tend to doubt articles of Faith, then the Integrists are very clearly our modern Pharisees, the ones who fancy themselves the true interpreters of the “fathers” and of the letter of the law.

Hmmm... Good insight.

[GirlShortstop]

Perhaps this article will provide a clearer understanding of the gesture made by John Paul II and put to rest the papal bashing so prevalent among certain members on this forum.



B U M P     Thank You!

[eastsider]

Since this is your thread, would you mind if I asked it to be moved to the Smokey Backroom? : )