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WHEN THE POPE KISSED THE KORAN
TCR News ^ | Stephen Hand

Posted on 03/30/2003 12:41:35 PM PST by NYer

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To: eastsider
Mt7:9-12 -- "Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Yep but ya gotta ask

81 posted on 03/31/2003 12:56:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: american colleen
No. I asked if God does not hear their prayers.

No God does not hear their prayers. In Fact they are an abomination to Him.

Prov 15:8
8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

Prov 15:29
The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous. (KJV)

Proverbs 28:9
                     He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination

Jeremiah 7:16
                      Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither                       make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:14
                      Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will                       not hear [them] in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

Lamentations 3:8
                      Also when I cry and shout, he shutteth out my prayer.

Lamentations 3:44
                      Thou hast covered thyself with a cloud, that [our] prayer should not pass through.

                  Psa 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear [me]:

Mic 3:4  
Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.

Jhn 9:31 
  Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

(Psalm 66:18
If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;

Proverbs 28:9;
"One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.

ISAIAH 59:2-
"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you, that He will not hear

Jer 14:12
When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.

   

82 posted on 03/31/2003 1:00:24 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: frankieG
To believe in one God (Allah) and his prophet Mohamed.
To pray 5 times daily.
To fast the month of Ramadan
To give to Charity at least once per year.
To visit Mecca if health and wealth permit.

Yea Mohammad = or greater than Jesus

All salvation by works..and lets not forget they are not to make friends with Christians and Jews..(probably afraid they would learn he was a liar) And they are to kill the infidel..Alhhhhhh yes Islam the religion of peace.....

That is not the God worshiped by Christians and Jews..
Oh yea no missionaries or Christian Bibles allowed..
84 posted on 03/31/2003 1:07:59 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Yep but ya gotta ask.
Mt6:25-26 --
"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?"
Do birds ask to be fed?
85 posted on 03/31/2003 1:10:47 PM PST by eastsider
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To: american colleen
***I think you are saying that He does not hear, as in hear and take into consideration, the prayers of those who do not have a "correct" understanding of Him?***

He is aware of their prayers. Yet He accomplishes His will regardless of their prayers. They are not related to Him by covenant and Christ is not their mediator.

To worship as God someone other than the God of the Bible is idolatry. Islam is not ignorant of the God of the Bible, they reject Him and substitute an alternative. Islam is idolatrous.

***I'm kind of dumb... ***

Here I completely disagree with your assessment, AC! Remember, you're a Special Papal Assistant to Pope Peil!
86 posted on 03/31/2003 1:11:50 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
To worship as God someone other than the God of the Bible is idolatry. Islam is not ignorant of the God of the Bible, they reject Him and substitute an alternative. Islam is idolatrous.

No. The God of the Bible is the Creator. And that is the God that Islam worships. They misunderstand Him, to be sure.

Here I completely disagree with your assessment, AC! Remember, you're a Special Papal Assistant to Pope Peil!

You should be a lot more selective in your appointments!

88 posted on 03/31/2003 1:32:13 PM PST by american colleen
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To: RnMomof7
No God does not hear their prayers. In Fact they are an abomination to Him.

I hope to God He is more merciful to you than you are to others.

89 posted on 03/31/2003 1:36:24 PM PST by american colleen
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To: RnMomof7
Colleen you need to read up on Islam.. ... the problem is that I have read up on Islam - and beyond Jack Chick stuff, too. Which is why I can disagree with you and know you are wrong.
90 posted on 03/31/2003 1:39:02 PM PST by american colleen
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To: NYer
I would hope not to be thought a Pope-basher, but insofar as he sees the UN as a moral agent, I certainly and profoundly disagree with him.
91 posted on 03/31/2003 1:46:57 PM PST by onedoug
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To: NYer
How many times is this **** going to be posted on FR?

Next up: Why Joseph Smith Was Satan, Part XXXIV
92 posted on 03/31/2003 1:48:30 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: NYer
He kissed it. No matter how anyone tries to excuse it away, he planted one right on it.

No excuse for that. Ever.
93 posted on 03/31/2003 1:53:19 PM PST by Jael
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To: american colleen
So every religion that worships a god who is a creator worships the same one? 

What if they worship a pantheon of gods involved in creation, is that the same God?

How about...


IZANAGI and IZANAMI Creator god and goddess sent down from heaven to build the earth. The other gods and goddesses are their descendents, but when the god of fire was born he burned his mother to death. Descending to the underworld, Izanami became old and ugly. Izanagi followed her to bring her back, but she forbade him to look at her. Izanagi looked anyway and Izanami tried to imprision him in the underworld. Pursued by Izanimi's furies, Izanagi escaped and sealed up the entrance to the underworld with a boulder. Enraged, Izanami vowed to kill a thousand of Izanami's subjects a day, and Izanami vowed to create fifteen hundred a day. So it was that Izanami became the goddess of death and Izanagi became the lord of life. 

Or....

In one Egyptian creation myth, the sun god Ra takes the form of Khepri, the scarab god who was usually credited as the great creative force of the universe. Khepri tells us,"Heaven and earth did not exist. And the things of the earth did not yet exist. I raised them out of Nu, from their stagnant state. I have made things out of that which I have already made, and they came from my mouth." It seems that Khepri is telling us that in the beginning there is nothing. He made the watery abyss known as Nu, from which he later draws the materials needed for the creation of everything.

. . . . .He goes on to say, "I found no place to stand. I cast a spell with my own heart to lay a foundation in Maat. I made everything . I was alone. I had not yet breathed the god Shu, and I had not yet spit up the goddess Tefnut. I worked alone." We learn that by the use of magic Khepri creates land with its foundation in Maat (law, order, and stability). We also learn that from this foundation many things came into being. At this point in time Khepri is alone. The sun, which was called the eye of Nu, was hidden by the children of Nu. It was a long time before these two deities, Shu and Tefnut were raised out of the watery chaos of their father, Nu. They brought with them their fathers eye, the sun. Khepri then wept profusely, and from his tears sprang men and women. The gods then made another eye, which probably represents the moon. After this Khepri created plants and herbs, animals, reptiles and crawling things. 

Then again we have...

In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again. 

When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

 

So are Izanagi, Khepri and Pan Gu the same creator God you pray to?

94 posted on 03/31/2003 1:54:35 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Illbay; Alex Murphy; Wrigley; CCWoody; fishtank; DoorGunner; Elsie; scripter
ILLBAY: How many times is this **** going to be posted on FR?

DRSTEVEJ: I'm still wondering what those four stars mean. You use them a lot. I remember that you said that **** is sometimes found in a "lying sack".
95 posted on 03/31/2003 2:01:20 PM PST by drstevej
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To: RnMomof7
Um, excuse me, NO VIRGINS IN HELL!!

Sorry, couldn't resist!!!
96 posted on 03/31/2003 2:02:13 PM PST by Jael
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To: american colleen
God says he is angry with the wicked every day. YOu should read what God says about the Muslims and what their end will be. In fact, he has no mercy on them.

97 posted on 03/31/2003 2:05:13 PM PST by Jael
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To: american colleen
Indulge me if you will, if I grab the wheel and spin it 90 degrees hard to the right for a moment.

You've asked a question, but you've expressed you disappointment and disgust with some of the opinions/answers you've received.

How are you deciding which answers are right, and which are wrong? What rule, what guide, what plumb-line are you using? In short, how do you know whether you are right about the nature and behavior of God?

You see, the difficult question you need to answer is "By what standards do we judge God's behavior?" What moral code can we call upon, that exists independent of Him and His creation? What judge do you appeal to, that you can sue God in front of to accuse Him of unfair behavior?

Some of us believe that God is capable of not been silent in history, and we believe His words and actions have been documented for us to understand Him by (and, to answer another charge, we believe He is fully capable of maintaining the accuracy of this documentation). Rather than insist He modify his behavior to fit our opinions, we allow him to correct our misunderstandings about Him.

All I'm saying is that you may not like the answers you hear, but that doesn't automatically mean they're not right.

98 posted on 03/31/2003 2:07:56 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: drstevej
The word is "corn". I believe the symbols **** are a transliteration from Reformed Egyptian heiroglyphics.
99 posted on 03/31/2003 2:13:09 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Illbay
Next up: Why Joseph Smith Was Satan, Part XXXIV

Nope. Joseph Smith, just like everyone else, falls under the description of humanity found in Romans 3. Including you and I. But I will say that I've never read Volume 34. I take it you own the entire, multi-volume set?

100 posted on 03/31/2003 2:19:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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