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WHEN THE POPE KISSED THE KORAN
TCR News ^ | Stephen Hand

Posted on 03/30/2003 12:41:35 PM PST by NYer

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To: Technogeeb
Does (in your opinion) the worship of a lone creator deity (or a deity that you believe is the lone creator deity) mean that you are worshipping the one true God?

No.

Does God hear the prayers offered to idols?

No.

141 posted on 04/01/2003 4:43:12 AM PST by american colleen
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To: Jael
Hmmmm

Sounds like you are describing the Jews. Do you hate them too?

142 posted on 04/01/2003 4:44:12 AM PST by american colleen
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To: Jael
Rome was the one killing people for being Christians. Killing them for having Bibles. Killing them for salvation by faith in Christ, just as Jesus commanded them, to have faith in Him.

OMG. Your knowledge of history is so skewed and superficial.

Ever hear how England was "converted" by the reformers? (as a small example)

143 posted on 04/01/2003 4:47:17 AM PST by american colleen
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To: restornu
Ishmaels covenant is preserved perfectly in Genesis.
144 posted on 04/01/2003 5:14:04 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: Dajjal
Now, that's a spooky symbol for the New World Order.

Yuk.
145 posted on 04/01/2003 5:15:25 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: american colleen
If you even hint that Muhammed was a child raper, a thief, a murderer, you'll be castigated or worse.

Muslims see Muhammed as some kind of superman.
146 posted on 04/01/2003 5:17:31 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: american colleen
"Fine. You know more about Mohammed than I do."

I think it's true that Fitz knows more about Islam and it's false figment of deity (Allah) as well.

147 posted on 04/01/2003 5:19:09 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: Aloysius
Any born again eliever in Jesus is part of the Body of Christ.

Please don't confuse the confused old fools in the Vatican as the only guarantors and guardians of Truth. I did that at one time in my life and I ended up severely mistaken in my confidence placed in the Vatican.

No pope is or ever was infallible. You can read about one of the first instances of papal infallibility in the bookof Galatians where the apostle Paul had to correct Peter about the false doctrine that Peter was proposing.
148 posted on 04/01/2003 5:22:45 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: Jael; american colleen
Nice reply.

Notice Jael said "Muslims" and not "Arabs". There are plenty of Arab, Persian, Indonesian, North African, etc people who worship the One True God Yahweh and his Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ.
149 posted on 04/01/2003 5:26:56 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: Jael
A great book to read in this topic is "Pilgrim Church" by E.H. Broadbent.
150 posted on 04/01/2003 5:28:02 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: fishtank
I think Ishmael's decendents may be the 'abominable branch'.
151 posted on 04/01/2003 5:50:58 AM PST by ET(end tyranny) (Heavenly Father, please embrace, and protect, our Pres., our troops and those of our true allies.)
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To: NYer
Perhaps this article will provide a clearer understanding of the gesture made by John Paul II and put to rest the papal bashing so prevalent among certain members on this forum.



B U M P     Thank You!
152 posted on 04/01/2003 5:55:03 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: fishtank
Ishmaels covenant is preserved perfectly in Genesis.

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The OT & NT are the records of Judah which has SOME of the words of the Lord on Ishmael!

Please refrain from trying to be the spokeman for ALL of the famlies of on the earth!

153 posted on 04/01/2003 5:57:04 AM PST by restornu (An obstacle is something you see when you take your eyes off the goal)
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To: Dajjal
Interesting symbol..."Can't we all just get along"
154 posted on 04/01/2003 6:07:35 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: american colleen
However, in this instance, Islam defines its belief in God as the God of Abraham as found in the Bible. Islam's full understanding of God is skewed of course, but they worship the same God as the Jews and the Christians.

Maybe it is the same god you worship but most professing Christians and jews think you are worshipping a flase god if you agree with them.

ALLAH - THE FICTITIOUS 'MOON GOD'

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god. The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel. For a detailed article and proof of who allah really is, go to http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

WHO RECEIVED GOD'S COVENANT?
As the foundation of the Islamic faith, Muslims are taught that Ishmael was their father, and that Ishmael received the Covenant of God through Abraham. In the Koran, Surah III reads: "We believe in God, and that which has been sent down on us, and sent down on Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob, and the Tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and the prophets, of their Lord; we make no division between [distinction among] any of them, and to Him we surrender. "Surah III

155 posted on 04/01/2003 6:18:21 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Jael
Good post
156 posted on 04/01/2003 6:19:20 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
My gosh!!!

You better tell all those Aramaic Christian speakers that they've got Him all wrong!!! They also use "Allah" --- oh, man!!! They think it means "the Supreme Creator" in their language!!!

You go ahead and tell them about Calvinism and how they are all doomed! doomed! doomed! regardless of what they believe.

157 posted on 04/01/2003 6:28:53 AM PST by american colleen
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To: restornu
As I said, Ishmael's covenant is perfectly preserved in Genesis.
158 posted on 04/01/2003 6:39:30 AM PST by fishtank (Resist liberal lies. Prosecute leftist treason.)
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To: RnMomof7
Found this here.

After reading the whole thing, turns out you might be right.

ALLAH IS NOT GOD!!

...Let's jump forward a few thousand years. The descendants of Ishmael are running around in the desert worshipping all kinds of gods. Satan saw that a large portion of them were worshipping the moon-god. Some were even worshipping the daughters of the moon-god, Al-lat, Al-uzza, and Manat. They were called "The Daughters of Allah." The moon-god was called "Allah." Old Lucifer got it into his big red head that he could unite all of these idol-worshipping towel-heads under Allah. He did this by appearing to a person that was already very upset that God wasn't going to let him go to heaven just because he was a descendent of Ishmael. That feller's name was Moohammad. Demons helped him write a book called, "the Ko-ran," which is basically an instruction manual on how to kill anyone who doesn't worship the moon. Now we have entire countries of God-hating moon-worshippers shooting everyone out of jealousy, just because God isn't going to let them go to Heaven. Why, it's even got so twisted up that nowadays, these Mooslims (moon worshippers) think that they are the ones going to Heaven and everyone else is going to Hell. It's a shame that none of them can read English. If they did, they could open up the Bible and find out that God had it out for them from day one. The only way for them to avoid Hell is to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. And it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon, because the minute you start running your mouth about Jesus being the Son of God, they shoot you dead.

159 posted on 04/01/2003 6:39:52 AM PST by american colleen
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To: RnMomof7
Those that have other gods are not asking OUR Father they are asking a demon (false god)
I take great comfort in knowing that when my salvation is perfected at the Final Judgment, I will be be judged by how I've treated others, not whether I knew God's name, his nature, or even his existence:
"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'


160 posted on 04/01/2003 8:02:30 AM PST by eastsider
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