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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I don't worship Mary.

Oh, thats right praying to someone isn't the same as worshipping them! So when you pray on your rosary' holy Mary, mother of God, giving her the title of God 'holy',(Ps.105:3) you are not praying to her?

Lets see, you believe Mary was born from an Immaculate Conception, (thus, was sinless like Christ,despite the fact that she had to offer a sin offering for herself (Lk.2:24), and rose again and was ascended bodily into heaven like Christ.

And she was offically deemed the 'queen' of heaven was she not by the Papacy in the 19th century?

You are applying 21st century cultural standards, linguistics and your personal opinion to a Biblical passage and coming up with "Jesus didn't respect his mother enough to call her Mother".

Well, where in the scriptures did he ever do so?

He called her 'woman'.

Christ loved and respected Mary as his mother, but that was all she was, his mother, someone who was blessed by God to give birth to the saviour.

It is Christ not Mary that is the issue.

Try again.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying we shall surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her....(Jer.44:25)

15 posted on 03/09/2003 2:15:27 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying we shall surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her....(Jer.44:25)

I'm glad you brought this up again. I forgot to respond to it last night. At the time of this passage, worship of the male God of Israel was spreading and replacing goddess worship among the various cultures. Among these cultures, the main god was considered female and she was responsible for fertility of crops, women, and bounty in life in general. This particular goddess here is likely Inanna. Offerings to her of food and wine, particularly cakes, were made to ensure bountiful harvests. Soon after the people started to worship the God of Israel, the crops failed. The women believed that Inanna was angry with them for rejection of her and returned to their previous religious practices because of the crop failure. This passage relates this. Mary had not even been born yet. This has nothing to do with her.

31 posted on 03/09/2003 1:15:22 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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