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To: Siobhan
I consider you a friend Siobhan I have enjoyed our debate..But my friend you are the one that has kept redefining what Calvinist means:>)

Look back at some of the posts..you wanted to make doublepredestination the test..but that is not the test...then you wanted to make Eucharist the test ..but that is not the test..

You are 100% correct that in Anglicanism and in Luthernism there is a mixture of Roman and Calvinist beliefs...What makes a Calvinist is the understanding that man is depraved and can not save himself (Luthers bondage of the will) ..that God is sovereign..that is clearly seen in the 39 articles and it is that belief that would have made them believe in freedom of religion and the chescks and balances we see in the constitution. Where it "counted" they were Calvinists:>)

747 posted on 02/23/2003 8:23:29 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Where it "counted" they were Calvinists:>)

No, they were not. It is very simple. You and others post a list naming Episcopalians as Calvinists. That was dead wrong. Episcopalians are not Calvinists. The rest of it has been Calvinists trying to claim more credit than is their due.

Listing Episcopalians as Calvinists is an error. To stubbornly maintain an error and to refuse to acknowledge one's error exposes something else altogether.

749 posted on 02/23/2003 12:19:13 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: RnMomof7
Look back at some of the posts..you wanted to make doublepredestination the test..but that is not the test...then you wanted to make Eucharist the test ..but that is not the test..

No, I didn't. They were not 'tests' but part of my observations on just how ridiculous it is to claim that Episcopalians are Calvinists or to quote the 39 Articles when one has a limited grasp of their meaning, their historical context, or the Anglican methodology for authority on doctrine, namely tradition, Scripture, and reason.

750 posted on 02/23/2003 12:24:23 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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