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To: Matchett-PI
Modern evangelism does the exact opposite and credits the opening of the heart to the power of man's "free will."

Sometimes, perhaps. But as one actively involved in an evangelistic movement, I can attest that there is a fair number of Calvinists and semi-Calvinists who recognize at least Prevenient Grace.

4 posted on 02/08/2003 8:33:50 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24; RnMomof7; CCWoody; Jerry_M; Jean Chauvin; Wrigley; gdebrae; drstevej; ...
"..I can attest that there is a fair number of Calvinists and semi-Calvinists who recognize at least Prevenient Grace"

But Reisinger is talking about spiritually mature Christians.

Notice again what Reisinger wrote:

"I am NOT talking about, or trying to defend, "Calvinists" since they come in a hundred 'varieties. ...If you know anyone that denies the above facts, then that person, regardless of what he labels himself, is denying the clear message of the Bible."

9 posted on 02/08/2003 1:09:09 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: jude24
The problem Jude is that Prevenient Grace is little more that a general "keeping "grace. .Mans will is stronger than that grace..so it does not resolve the problem does it?
18 posted on 02/08/2003 2:17:29 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: jude24; Matchett-PI; RnMomof7
You are technically correct. But Calvinists don't use the term "prevenient grace" in the same way as other theologians. Wesley actually stole the term "prevenient grace" from some of the old Calvinists and changed the meaning of the term.

As I read Wesley, he defined prevenient grace as that spiritual blessing which God gives everyone under the sound of the gospel. The old Calvinistic meaning of prevenient grace was simply that of spiritual blessings bestowed on God's elect before they become Christians for real. (For example, preventing the elect sinner's death in a terrible accident ten years before he becomes a Christian would be a Calvinist's example of prevenient grace. This is not what Wesley was talking about.)

24 posted on 02/08/2003 3:52:53 PM PST by the_doc
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