"We would probably all save ourselves a lot of time and grief if we remembered that in our discussions here. " -Corin Stormhands
Corin, you must realize that Wesley and Arminius redefine "grace" and "election".
This is the common "trick" of Theistic Evolutionists. The Theistic evolutionist (and I've been taught by one of the "best") uses all the same language the creationist uses. He claims to believe in "creation", but he has completely redefined the word. The Theistic Evolutionist tells us he believes that God "created" man. But when one understands how he defines "creation" we see he defines "creation" as "evolution". We then understand that even though he "sounds" very close to the Creationist position, he is actually turning creation on its head!
Likewise, the Arminian redefines "grace" and "election" and "predestination". In doing so, the Arminian might "sound" very close to the Calvinist, but he actually turns the gospel on its head.
Jean
Yes. Thankfully, they corrected Calvin's errors.