[fortheDeclaration]

So do agree with Wesley on the "second Blessing ",and that you can loose your salvation? A Wesleyan Pastor told me that Foreknowlege = predestination...Ummmmmm

Just because I cite someone doesn't mean I agree with everything they say.

The point that Wesley was making was that God is not arbitrary and cannot be unfair.

Choosing some and damning others based on His own choice, for no objective reason would be so.

The scriptures state very clearly that is not God's nature (1Tim.2:4, 2Pet.3:9, Jn.3:16)

As an Independent Baptist, I believe in eternal security not the perservance of the saints .

So, hopefully, you will not do anything to doubt that you are one of the 'elect' as many Calvinists come to think, not really being sure of their salvation since they can always 'fall away' thus, revealing that they were not really the 'elect' at all!

[maestro]

Your#234)........................Amen!

The scriptures state very clearly that is not God's nature (1Tim.2:4, 2Pet.3:9, Jn.3:16)

Maranatha!

Romans 10:17

Maranatha!

BTTT

[RnMomof7]

Just because I cite someone doesn't mean I agree with everything they say.

My point is if Wesley was so wrong about your salvation and the second blessing and the revolutionary war..just maybe he was wrong about this too.

[jude24]

The point that Wesley was making was that God is not arbitrary and cannot be unfair. Choosing some and damning others based on His own choice, for no objective reason would be so.

That implicitly assumes that God owes salvation to any man, or that because He saved you, He must save me as well. But that just isn't the case.

[Jean Chauvin]

Tell me, O Great One:

Was it the will of the Father that Christ die upon the cross?

Jean

[Frumanchu]

The point that Wesley was making was that God is not arbitrary and cannot be unfair. Choosing some and damning others based on His own choice, for no objective reason would be so.

As has been stated over and over and over and over in these threads, the Calvinist position is not one of random choice of who gets saved and who burns. If you can agree that none of us deserve to be saved, why is it you cry foul at any notion that some should be chosen and some not? If we maintain that election is unconditional, how can you cry "no fair!"

If you cannot accept grace or mercy for what they are, you certainly have no right to demand they be fairly distributed. There is no Affirmative Action admissions policy for Heaven.