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To: Campion
"In case you're not just being obtuse, my point is that the obelisk is practically the opposite of what you want to think it is -- it celebrates Christianity's victory over paganism, not the reverse."

Exactly.

And while our resident veteran of the Lidless Eye Brigade is grappling with the concept that perhaps there is not a pagan statue being worshipped in Rome, he want to ponder that just about any "pagan" influence he names being present in Catholicism is also present in the Eastern Orthodoxy. Which would then lead him to the question of why he is not similarly vocal of condemning the various American, Serb, and Russian posters for their "pagan" EO beliefs.

The inconsistency of the Protestant "big tent" idea (where everybody has a home - so long as you aren't Catholic) as it is interpretted by anti-Catholics is intellectually dishonest at the best of times.

In regards to Harry Potter, I truly fail to see how the magic is any different than some of science fiction ideas for a future society. It's basically a mystical substitute for technology and is hardly an endorsement of the occult.
43 posted on 02/03/2003 12:32:41 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: Angelus Errare
I think you make some good points here:

...Which would then lead him to the question of why he is not similarly vocal of condemning the various American, Serb, and Russian posters for their "pagan" EO beliefs.

A valid point in one sense... I would agree that the Catholic Church has no monopoly on pagan influence in worship. I would not limit it to Orthodox flavors, though. Someone else mentioned Christmas, which is certainly not limited to RCC or EO... Not to mention the concept of Christian Sabbath.

But as to why the RCC seems to get more attention in this regard, has to do (I think) with Revelations. True or not, many believe that there is scripture specifically addressing the RCC in Revelations. This is not just an anti-catholic doctrine:

“The Church here in Babylon, united with you by God’s election, sends you her greeting, and so does my son, Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13, Knox). Babylon is a code-word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible and in extra-biblical works... Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Chronicle, composed about A.D. 303, noted that “It is said that Peter’s first epistle, in which he makes mention of Mark, was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon.”

[Source for above quotes: Catholic Answers] (actually I copied the quote and the source from another post)

The inconsistency of the Protestant "big tent" idea (where everybody has a home - so long as you aren't Catholic) as it is interpretted by anti-Catholics is intellectually dishonest at the best of times.

I know there are a lot of people who believe the above. I know there are a lot of "Protestants" who do not believe that. I would certainly consider the "big tent" idea to seem contradictory to many scriptures.

54 posted on 02/03/2003 1:00:51 PM PST by OHelix
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To: Angelus Errare
I think Harry Potter is about as bad as Bewitched was when I was a kid. I loved Bewitched, and my kids love Harry Potter.

Bewitched never influenced me to follow the occult, and I don't think Harry Potter will influence my kids to follow the occult.

I do think that our family going to church on Sundays, and reading our Bible together will influence my children to be Christions.
71 posted on 02/03/2003 1:40:03 PM PST by luckystarmom
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