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To: Polycarp
#1) This is a public forum and anyone has the right to post and discuss what they wish, 'Novus Ordo rules' aside. Who do you people think you are? Why are you so frightened of debate?

#2)How does your preaching relate to the topic of this thread?

8 posted on 01/20/2003 4:56:19 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Scupoli
Thread topic: The Jurisdiction of the Bull Quo Primum

My response:

1) Popes have authority over discipline. The Liturgy is a matter of discipline. As such, changes in discipline are prudential judgements, and not necessarily protected by the Holy Spirit from error. However, since Liturgy is the primary means of catechesis in Faith and Morals, such changes are grave matters. And criticism of these prudential decisions is valid BUT can only be undertaken knowing that such criticism itself is a grave matter and should only be undertaken by those with a deep enough understanding of these issues that their criticism itself does not cause scandal or lead the innocent into schism or disobedience where obedience is due.

2) Since Popes have authority over discipline, any Eucharistic Liturgy they promulgate ---if it has the proper matter and form--- is by its very nature Valid and Licit.

No Pope is bound in disciplinary matters by previous Popes.

3) These are difficult times. Simply questioning and searching, honestly, does not make one a schismatic. Questioning the link between the current grave scandals and the changes in the Church since Vatican II and the promulgation of the Novus Ordo mass does not make one a schismatic, though some conclusions drawn may clearly and onjectively be incorrect.

5)Denying Papal authority over the discipline of the Liturgy does make one schismatic.

6) Denying the Novus Ordo is valid and licit or that Pope Paul VI had the authority to promulgate it does make one schismatic.

7) Questioning the fruits of the Novus Ordo, the quality and quantity of its catechesis, and pointing out where and when it becomes illicit or invalid is not schismatic.

8) Questioning the prudential judgement of the Pope can be done charitably in some circumstances but most often lately such questioning has itself been imprudent.

Your question:

How does your preaching relate to the topic of this thread?

Please at least try to pay attention.

9 posted on 01/20/2003 5:05:32 PM PST by Polycarp ("I am a Christian...so I do not expect "history" to be anything but a long defeat.." --JRR Tolkien)
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