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To: ThomasMore
I never said the Holy See has "publicly" denied anything. They never do that. They change our religion in practice and punish those who don't go along. They do not discuss the changes. They never mention the Real Presence. If you ask the bishops why showing adoration by kneeling for Communion is prohibited, they will not answer that it's because they no longer believe in the Real Presence. They tell you it's to keep church traffic moving. They have torn out the communion rails, they have eliminated genuflections, they have ordered Communion in the hands, they have shunted-aside the tabernacles--and in every instance they will give some banal excuse. Taken individually, each excuse seems fairly plausible. But taken together they are an affront to the Catholic belief in the Real Presence. These people are very subtle, very sneaky. Yet if you examine the Novus Ordo line for line and rubric for rubric and compare it to the old Mass, you will comprehend better the shocking denials of traditional Catholic dogma in favor of the Protestant perspective.
46 posted on 01/20/2003 12:01:32 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
I never said the Holy See has "publicly" denied anything.

Reread your post #18. You said,

But the problem is Rome's modernism which departs radically from the old Faith. It is indisputable that central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied.

Routinely "denied" sounds like denied to me.

You keep using the words (denied, denials). If individual bishops and priests and deacons are in error, then I agree with you. But you have implicated Rome (Holy See) with the sins of the few. Your words; It is indisputable that central dogmas of Catholicism are routinely denied.

Again, I say, name the ones that the Church has denied. The Church's teaching on the Real Presence is available to all Catholics in the Universal Catechism. There is no reason, outside of illiteracy, that one can claim ignorance; for the Catechism is readily available. Nothing in liturgy can deny these dogmas because the dogmas are explained plainly enough. You see the Novus Ordo as an affront to these dogmas. Others don't. If people don't understand good Eucharistic theology, its do to a lack of proper catechesis, not the Novus Ordo.

54 posted on 01/20/2003 12:26:36 PM PST by ThomasMore (1 Peter 3:15-16)
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