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To: ThomasMore
Deal with it. It's the truth. Unfortunately, the New Mass subverts Catholic dogma. So does giving the red hat to a German heretic who publicly doubts the Resurrection and the Divinity of Christ. So does praying with witchdoctors and kissing the Koran. All of this is ugly stuff--but true. If you have a problem with it, you need to address your gripes to Rome. None of this is Traditional Catholicism.
28 posted on 01/20/2003 10:49:03 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Deal with it.

Deal with what?

the New Mass subverts Catholic dogma.

Pure unadulterated opinion.

So does praying with witchdoctors

Was he praying to the Triune God or the pagan? You're sounding like a Pharisee.

31 posted on 01/20/2003 11:00:52 AM PST by ThomasMore
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To: ultima ratio
...the New Mass subverts Catholic dogma

"The Mass has not changed since Christ instituted this sacrament on the night before His crucifixion. In essence, there is neither an “old” Mass nor a “new” Mass, but only the Mass. In fact what changed after the Second Vatican Council was not the Mass, but the liturgy."

"...the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ transubstantiated into the Eucharist. This central mystery of the Mass takes place regardless of whether the priest celebrates according to the liturgical books in use before the Second Vatican Council or according to the liturgical books revised by Pope Paul VI. In fact, both sets of liturgical books are usages of the same Roman liturgical rite."

Which dogmas are violated?

38 posted on 01/20/2003 11:40:00 AM PST by NYer
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To: ultima ratio
Unfortunately, the New Mass subverts Catholic dogma. So does giving the red hat to a German heretic who publicly doubts the Resurrection and the Divinity of Christ

Have you even given God a chance to act on this on His own time?

Here is a perfect example of a priest who didn't believe the truth and God took care of it.

Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs. These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.

The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

44 posted on 01/20/2003 11:56:42 AM PST by tiki
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To: ultima ratio
I want to ask, what makes you think that by separating that you can deal with any errors in the Church?

I have no power to change anything unless God chooses to work through me. I can't assure my Salvation by being good and trying not to sin. I am helpless and fall short but thanks to the Grace of God, I have a chance at eternal Salvation. If God wanted it fixed, today, He would fix it, with or without me.

48 posted on 01/20/2003 12:06:43 PM PST by tiki
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