[BlackElk]

Not at all odd when you remember that their bishops have been consecrated in direct disobedience to the licit orders of the pope by Marcel Lefebvre who quite obviously thought that Christ established the papacy to give Lefebvre the opportunity to lead others out of the Church. Their real gripe is and has long been that John Paul II excommunicated Lefebvre and the bishops he consecrated illicitly tom perpetuate his schism. The pope also declared SSPX in schism. But, hey, as Luther might say, if you disagree with the pope, don't obey, defy!

[ultima ratio]

"Not at all odd when you remember that their bishops have been consecrated in direct disobedience to the licit orders of the pope by Marcel Lefebvre who quite obviously thought that Christ established the papacy to give Lefebvre the opportunity to lead others out of the Church."

As usual you distort the truth. Archbishop Lefebvre believed correctly that the papacy exists not to do as you say, but to uphold Tradition. If the Pope violates his own papal oath by attcking Tradition, he must be opposed. The Pope is not the faith, he is the first of those who should be defending the faith.

Here is the papal oath in part:

I VOW TO CHANGE NOTHING OF RECEIVED TRADITION, AND NOTHING THEREOF I HAVE FOUND BEFORE ME GUARDED BY MY GOD-PLEASING PREDECESSORS, TO ENCROACH UPON, TO ALTER, OR TO PERMIT ANY INNOVATION THEREIN... ACCORDINGLY, WITHOUT EXCLUSION, WE SUBJECT TO SEVEREST EXCOMMUNICATION ANYONE--BE IT OURSELVES OR BE IT ANOTHER--WHO WOULD DARE TO UNDERTAKE ANYTHING NEW IN CONTRADICTION TO THIS CONSTITUTED EVANGELIC TRADITION AND THE PURITY OF THE ORTHODOX FAITH AND THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION, OR WOULD SEEK TO CHANGE ANYTHING BY HIS OPPOSING EFFORTS, OR WOULD AGREE WITH THOSE WHO UNDERTAKE SUCH A BLASPHEMOUS VENTURE.

Do words have meaning any more to the Vatican?

[sitetest]

Dear Friends,

LOL. It seems my crystal ball is back from the shop and working like new.

As predicted in the tag line of #110, we are to be lectured why "excommunicated" doesn't really mean "excommunicated".

I'll bet you didn't know I could foretell the future! Now, for my next trick!!

* chuckle *

Perhaps Mr. Clinton studied Marcel's corpus of worldly works before testifying before the grand jury.


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