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To: Aquinasfan
". His Church has to be unified doctrinally since he tells us to take our disputes to "the Church." "

All this verse means is that you take it to the elders in charge of your congregation.

Trouble in Any of these churches was not sent to a central body for a final consesus.

"Besides, what would be the point of founding many churches with countless, contradictory doctrines? "

You know that is a dishonest statement. The Christian church is unified in the Gospel of Christ as Savior and any that don't follow this are not.

You claim the RCC is unified in doctrine and yet even in here we see catholics ignoring other catholics because of the many schisms in catholicism

Hardly the unified body you dishonestly try to put forth.

124 posted on 01/17/2003 11:00:19 AM PST by Joshua
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Be back later
125 posted on 01/17/2003 11:03:04 AM PST by Joshua
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To: Joshua
". His Church has to be unified doctrinally since he tells us to take our disputes to "the Church." "

All this verse means is that you take it to the elders in charge of your congregation.

And what if the "elders" in my congregation disagree with the "elders" in another congregation (that in your understanding is part of the same unified Church)? Would that represent justice or truth? This is important because the Bible calls the Church, "the pillar and foundation of truth." (1 Tim 3:15)

Trouble in Any of these churches was not sent to a central body for a final consesus.

The history of the early Church is marked by disagreements regarding doctrine and the suppression of heresy. (,Arianism, Nestorianism, Monophysitism, The Donatists, Pelagianism)

"Besides, what would be the point of founding many churches with countless, contradictory doctrines? "

You know that is a dishonest statement.

On the contrary. One Church, one body of doctrine (the Magisterium), one Catechism.

The Christian church is unified in the Gospel of Christ as Savior and any that don't follow this are not.

Is baptism necessary for salvation? Is double-predestination true? These are not ancillary issues.

You claim the RCC is unified in doctrine and yet even in here we see catholics ignoring other catholics because of the many schisms in catholicism

Catholics must assent to dogmas promulgated as essential ("de fide" teachings). Other teachings are of lesser authority. Disciplines (pastoral Church directives) must be adhered to out of obedience but as pastoral directives are subject to change for cultural and historical exigencies.

Hardly the unified body you dishonestly try to put forth.

I don't claim that all individuals who call themselves "Catholic" are in fact Catholic, nor do I claim that good, practicing Catholics never hold heretical positions (out of ignorance).

128 posted on 01/17/2003 12:32:00 PM PST by Aquinasfan
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