Posted on 01/13/2003 9:34:12 PM PST by Nachum
In the good old/bad old days, the procedure for making a former human being into a saint was well understood.
There had to be an interval of at least seven years after the death before beatification - the first stage in the process - could even be proposed. (This was to insure against any gusts of popular enthusiasm for a local figure who might later prove to be a phoney.)
There had to be proof of two miracles, attributable to the intercession of the deceased.
And there had to be a hearing, at which the advocatus Diaboli, or Devil's Advocate, would be appointed by the Church to make the strongest possible case against the nominee.
I am not a Roman Catholic and the saint-making procedures of the Vatican are really none of my business. But it strikes me as odd that none of the above rules have been followed in the case of the newly-beatified woman who called herself "Mother" Teresa of Calcutta.
She was first put forward for beatification only four years after her death. Only one miracle has been required of her, and duly found to have been performed.
And, instead of appointing a Devil's Advocate, the Vatican invited me to be a witness for the Evil One, and expected me to do the job pro bono.
Their reason for asking was that I made a documentary called Hell's Angel, and wrote a short book entitled The Missionary Position, in which I reviewed Mother Teresa's career as if she had been an ordinary person.
I discovered that she had taken money from rich dictators like the Duvalier gang in Haiti, had been a friend of poverty rather than a friend of the poor, had never given any account of the huge sums of money donated to her, had railed against birth-control in the most overpopulated city on the planet and had been the spokeswoman for the most extreme dogmas of religious fundamentalism.
Actually, it's boasting to say that I "discovered" any of this. It was all there in plain sight for anyone to notice. But in the age of celebrity, nobody had troubled to ask if such a global reputation was truly earned or was simply the result of brilliant public relations.
"Wait a minute," said a TV host in Washington a few nights ago, when I debated all this with Mr John Donahue of the Catholic Defence League. "She built hospitals." No, sir, you wait a minute.
Mother Teresa was given, to our certain knowledge, many tens of millions of pounds. But she never built any hospitals. She claimed to have built almost 150 convents, for nuns joining her own order, in several countries. Was this where ordinary donors thought their money was going?
Furthermore, she received some of this money from the Duvaliers, and from Mr Charles Keating of the notorious Lincoln Savings and Loan of California, and both these sources had acquired the money by - how shall I put it? - borrowing money from the poor and failing to give it back.
How could this possibly be true? Doesn't everyone know that she spent her time kissing the sores of lepers and healing the sick? Ah, but what everyone knows isn't always true. You were more likely to run into Mother Teresa being photographed with Nancy Reagan, or posing with Princess Diana, or in the first-class cabin of Air India (where she had a permanent reservation).
You could see her in Ireland, campaigning against a law which would permit civil divorce and remarriage (though she publicly defended Princess Diana's right to be divorced).
You could encounter her on the podium in Stockholm, accepting yet another huge cheque and telling the Nobel audience that the greatest threat to world peace was... abortion. (Since she added that contraception was morally as bad as abortion, she essentially held the view that condoms and coils were a deadly threat to world peace. The Church does not insist on that degree of fundamentalism.)
And when she got sick, she would check herself into the Mayo Clinic or some other temple of American medicine. As one who has visited her primitive "hospice" for the dying in Calcutta, I should call that a wise decision. Nobody would go there except to check out, in one way or another.
"Give a man a reputation as an early riser," said Mark Twain "and that man can sleep till noon." Give a woman a reputation for holiness and compassion and apparently nothing she does can cause her to lose it.
Of Albanian descent and a keen nationalist, she visited the country when it was still a brutal dictatorship and "the world's first atheist state" to pay tribute to its grim Stalinist leader.
She fawned upon her shrewd protector Indira Gandhi at a time when the Indian government was imposing forced sterilisations. Above all, she urged the poor to think of their sufferings as a gift from God.
And she opposed the only thing that has ever been known to cure poverty - the empowerment of women in poor countries by giving them some say in their own reproduction.
Now, so they tell us, a woman in Bengal has recovered from a tumour after praying to Mother Teresa. I have received information from both the family and the physicians that says it was good medical treatment that did the job. Who knows?
I must say that I don't believe in miracles but if they do exist there are deserving cases which don't, in spite of fervent prayers, ever benefit from them.
When Mr Donahue was asked if he believed the statutory second miracle would occur, he said that he thought it would. I said that I thought so, too.
But I have already seen a collective hallucination occur as regards Mother Teresa, though it was produced by the less supernatural methods of modern, uncritical mass media.
Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair.
But Hitchens' objections are rather shallow in the whole. He screeches like a savage that his god is not satisfied. But that which he sees in error is not of God.
You must've replied to me by mistake. I don't know who said Mary and the saints were dead but it wasn't me.
All throughout, simply return to Him so he may return to you, and sin no more. If one does sin, as everybody does, continue to confess those sins to Him in repentence and remain in fellowship with Him,...and viola,..you're a saint.
Well, heck.....then I don't think Mother Teresa will have any problem becoming a Saint.
I've always tended to understand the passage to refer to the spirit in which Peter spoke as the Rock upon which the Church would be built in answering the question, Who am I? from Christ Jesus. Seems rather consistent as to how we are all ministers and may all have a direct relationship with the Father through the Son, and not any other.
We have church history earlier than the fathers. The gospels and Paul's letters are older.
"You conveniently ignored my biblical quotes in post #50 - you know, the ones from Christ Himself and also from St. Paul almost begging that we remain One? "
I did not ignore this. If you look back I told you that the scriptures you posted deal with a unity in spirit and purpose to preach the Gospel.The scriptures you posted in no way point to a central authority other than Christ and the Holy Spirit as the guide. You interpret scripture on the false premise of Romes authority.(Please don't use the keys mantra. Even the early church fathers, that you look to for guidance, didn't teach that). The protestant denominations have this purpose that your scriptures speak of. To deny that would be dishonest on your part.
"The earliest Churches believed and taught the Real Presence. All of them. And continued to do so up until the Reformation when some of the new churches that sprung up (Protestant) taught the Real Presence and some disregarded it. That is central."
John 14:20 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. (NIV)
John 17:23 23 I in them and you in me. (NIV)
These verses talk of the "Real Presence" not some mystical transubstantiation.
If you believe the bible than you must believe that Jesus dwells in you as it claims. This is the real presence we believe in. He dwells in me. I don't need a wafer with magical powers to abtain this. The beauty of this real presence is that I don't have to worry if I'm kneeling or standing, the character of the priest, or if the words he uses are exact to a Vatican directive. I know the words of Jesus are true.
If you want to discuss real presence in the words of Jesus, fine. If you want a discussion on Romes view, forget it. I consider transubstantiation false.
Heb 9:24 24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. (NIV)
Heb 9: 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. (NIV)
Heb 9:26 26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. (NIV)
Heb 10:11-12 11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. (NIV)
No they wore gold trimmed robes and pointy hats. They thought this really turned on the young shepard boys.
It's hard to get through to them. On a big prayer day you can be put on hold for hours....
Sometimes you only get their answering machine.
Ring..... Ring.....Sorry I can't take your prayer right now but leave a novena and I'll get to it as soon as possible. (St. Elswhere's answering machine message)
Rob, try this link www.cluebus.com. I heard you can buy a ticket online from here.
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