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Vatican to reinforce Catholic orthodoxy, Pope's advisors say traditional values have weakened
BBC News ^ | 8 January, 2003 | Robert Pigott

Posted on 01/09/2003 2:25:44 PM PST by Polycarp

Vatican to reinforce Catholic orthodoxy

Pope's advisors say traditional values have weakened

Wednesday, 8 January, 2003, 18:10 GMT

By Robert Pigott BBC's religious affairs correspondent

For months it has seemed to liberal Roman Catholics that the sex abuse scandal that has affected the Church in many parts of the world, must lead to radical reforms.

There was speculation that it could include an end to compulsory celibacy for priests, and perhaps even the ordination of women.

But the signs are that the pope's advisers have come to precisely the opposite conclusions - and intend to reinforce traditional standards and discipline.

They plan to crack down especially hard on homosexuality in the Church.

'Anglo-Saxon' problem

In St Peter's Square in the Vatican, a group of children waiting to tour the towering basilica, tightly gathered around a smiling young priest.

There is no sign here of the awkwardness that some American priests have reported feeling with children since the sex abuse crisis has unfolded there during the last year.

Indeed, here in Rome, many see the scandal as what they call an "Anglo-Saxon" problem.

Gerry O'Connell, the Vatican correspondent of the Roman Catholic journal The Universe, says that some of the pope's chief advisers have analysed the American cases and concluded that the problem is not paedophilia, but homosexuality.

"When they analysed these cases, they discovered that the vast majority involved not priests and little children, that's children under the age of 11 or 12, but rather priests and teenagers," Mr O'Connell says.

"So it had more a homosexual dimension to it."

That conclusion is having far-reaching effects.

'Inadvisable and imprudent'

Liberal Roman Catholics have argued that the scandal was caused by too much emphasis on hierarchy and the priesthood, and that the answer is to ordain women and end compulsory celibacy.

The sex abuse scandal has served to reinforce that view.

But conservatives - and there are many surrounding Pope John Paul II - believe the crisis has been caused by a weakening of the Church's traditional values and standards, and specifically a tolerance of homosexual priests.

The Vatican correspondent of the National Catholic Reporter, John Allen, says a one-page letter from one of the Holy See's departments, the Congregation for Worship, graphically demonstrates the shift against homosexuals.

He quotes the letter: "The ordination to the priesthood of homosexual men, or men with homosexual tendencies, is absolutely inadvisable and imprudent, and from a pastoral point of view, very risky."

"To me, that's a pretty clear statement of position," Mr Allen says.

According to him similar language is likely to be used in a more substantial document expected from the Vatican department in charge of education in the next few months.

"There seems to be a clear thrust here towards making it more difficult, if not impossible for a homosexual to get into a seminary and ultimately to be ordained as a Catholic priest," Mr Allen says.

Crisis in morale

Another important clue is contained in the words "homosexual tendencies".

The Church has always said that active homosexuality is a sin. But not necessarily homosexual tendencies.

Ending that distinction would represent a significant crackdown on gay men in the priesthood. Resignation of Cardinal Law raised liberal hopes

At Beda College, a seminary for mature men in the St Paul's area just outside Rome's old city walls numbers of students are falling.

The college's rector, Monsignor Roderick Strange says that the crisis in morale caused by the sex scandal can only make the situation worse.

He thinks that whether or not a man has homosexual tendencies is irrelevant, provided he is sufficiently mature and socially well integrated.

Barring them from seminaries would be a big mistake.

"The issue of paedophilia and abuse may have homosexual aspects but it is simply not to be identified with that orientation," Monsignor Strange says.

"If it were the case that people were using homosexuality to say that by banning this we will solve that then we wouldn't be getting any further forward at all."

Reinforcing orthodoxy

The resignation of Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston encouraged liberal Roman Catholics to believe the pope might find some relaxation of the Church's traditional disciplines unavoidable.

But there is a tendency in Rome for America to seem far away, and to put its sex scandal in a wider context.

For Vatican conservatives the priority seems to be to reinforce Roman Catholic orthodoxy in the Church as a whole, rather than indulge liberals in its unruly provinces.


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To: Desdemona
95% Celt and bred a Catholic.

Heehee. Now is this from your mother or your father?

21 posted on 01/09/2003 4:33:22 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: ninenot
He thinks that whether or not a man has homosexual tendencies is irrelevant, provided he is sufficiently mature and socially well integrated.

We were just discussing this, weren't we? I've got to be honest, of all the openly gays I know, none of them show signs of adult maturity. Not one. That is not to say that all other people show maturity.... but Jeez, not one!

22 posted on 01/09/2003 4:37:57 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: FBDinNJ
Although I'm skeptical that there will be a real crackdown, I'll gladly welcome the news if its true.

It will come, but will have to be measured in "Church" years. The Pope can only speak, will others listen? Yes, and they already are and have been - they're the younger generation. The heterodox generation probably, short of a direct miracle of God, will have to die out. Until then, they will continue playing all their tricks and games. Their days are numbered though. They have no life giving message for Christians so that their real damage is measured by how many people leave the Church. The Church has seen, and survived, all this before. She will do so now!

23 posted on 01/09/2003 4:46:17 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: ninenot
Monsignor Roderick Strange says that the crisis in morale caused by the sex scandal can only make the situation worse.

Good!

I'm interested in the young men determined now, more than ever, to be Priests because of the scandals coupled with their love of Christ and His Church. Soldiers of Christ with valor, honor, and virtue eager for the battle which lies ahead. Talk about maturity!

24 posted on 01/09/2003 4:51:36 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: Polycarp
"Traditional values"? I had hoped it would speak to more than homosexuality. Here in America, I'd say the contempt of so many of the laity for Catholic teachings about human life is an even bigger problem, followed closely by the disregard for Catholic teaching about the permanence of marriage. In both cases, American bishops have bent over backwards to assure their flock that God loves them no matter what (in other words, do whatever you want but keep on paying the bills). Not until we see a crackdown on abortion-loving Catholic politicians and an end to the scandal of annulments-on-request will the Church here be in any position to say it is upholding traditional values.
25 posted on 01/09/2003 5:55:53 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Polycarp
NO Kidding.
27 posted on 01/09/2003 6:04:53 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: smevin
Old Greeks or new ones? I am simply talking about a typical French put down of perfidious Albion.
28 posted on 01/09/2003 6:22:53 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: smevin
The new Greeks are really Slavs--But don't tell them I said so.
30 posted on 01/09/2003 6:32:42 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: jimkress
Huh?!?
31 posted on 01/09/2003 6:46:18 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Desdemona
There was an infamous gang of homosexuals in the British Foreign Service,I think they were busy during WWII and were outed 30 some years ago. Kim Philby was one of the names I recall and then maybe an Anthony Blount? They betrayed their country and several defected to Russia when they were discovered. At that time it was posited that the British Prep schools were training grounds for homosexuals and bi's.
32 posted on 01/09/2003 6:53:59 PM PST by saradippity
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To: saradippity
Kim Philby wasn't homosexual (he had four wives and many mistresses). The other four men in the Cambridge Communist spy ring were (Anthony Blunt, Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean and John Cairncross).

The current scandals in the Church and the spy scandals in Britain give testimony to the subversive nature of homosexuality.

33 posted on 01/09/2003 7:08:12 PM PST by Loyalist
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To: TotusTuus
95% Celt and bred a Catholic.

Heehee. Now is this from your mother or your father?


Both and a tinge of Bavarian.
34 posted on 01/09/2003 7:10:36 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the ping.

Doesn't it drive you nuts that everything is either 'conservative Catholics' or 'liberal Catholics'?

The Church speaks. If you are a Catholic, you believe when She speaks She speaks Truth. You listen and you act accordingly. Or you don't.

35 posted on 01/09/2003 7:23:03 PM PST by american colleen (I like Ike)
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To: american colleen
If you are a Catholic, you believe when She speaks She speaks Truth. You listen and you act accordingly. Or you don't.

Ain't that the truth.
36 posted on 01/09/2003 7:25:22 PM PST by Desdemona (Most Blessed Saint Cecilia, pray for us.)
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To: Desdemona
Both and a tinge of Bavarian.

Well, that explains it! :-)


37 posted on 01/09/2003 7:26:08 PM PST by american colleen (I like Ike)
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To: american colleen
Well, that explains it!

Explains what, if ya don' mind me askin'?
38 posted on 01/09/2003 7:29:25 PM PST by Desdemona (Most Blessed Saint Cecilia, pray for us.)
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To: Desdemona
Kidding! PS. that picture is a picture of real Bavarian girls I found on the Internet (in work and bored).
39 posted on 01/09/2003 7:41:43 PM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
that picture is a picture of real Bavarian girls I found on the Internet (in work and bored

I'm on a Mac at the moment. It didn't come up.

Seriously, I'm a lot more like the Celts. And no, not all of them were Irish.
40 posted on 01/09/2003 7:47:04 PM PST by Desdemona (Most Blessed Saint Cecilia, pray for us.)
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