Posted on 12/16/2002 12:01:08 PM PST by Polycarp
Tuesday, October 8, 2002 11:32 a.m.
Killing Michael Rose
by Dale Vree This article appeared in the September 2002 issue of New Oxford Review.
Its hard for Catholics today to keep the Faith. The culture both mocks Catholicism and tries to entice Catholics into skepticism and licentiousness (often successfully). Worse still, the culture has invaded the Church, such that good Catholics must endure skeptical and licentious priests, liturgical abuse, New Age homilies, spiritual malpractice, watered-down catechesis, secularized "Catholic" schools, etc. While its important to focus on all these grave problems, the question must be asked: What is their source?
The source, dear friends, is the seminary not every one, but many of them. Thats why we regard Michael S. Roses new book on seminaries, Goodbye, Good Men (Regnery), as one of the most important Catholic books published in the past three or four decades. The book concretely and vividly describes how certain vocations directors and seminaries screen out manly orthodox men or, if such men manage to get in under the radar, persecute them or even force them out. Meanwhile, homosexuals and dissenters are welcomed and proceed to ordination.
The books sources come not only from the public record but, crucially, from interviews with 150 people, of whom 125 are or were in seminaries, representing 50 dioceses and 22 major seminaries. Thats a good data base, and they all tell essentially the same story. Were the book based on interviews with a handful of people, one might conclude that these are just tall tales from a gaggle of malcontents. But with so many folks concurring, the book rings true.
The book was researched and written in the years immediately preceding the outbreak of the Great Sex Scandals of 2002. Rose was on top of a situation that caught most of the Catholic world by surprise. Given the history of out-in-the-open and flagrant homosexuality at certain seminaries discussed by Rose, this book goes a long way in explaining how we could have so many degenerates and perverts in the priesthood.
Here, then, is a book that liberal Catholics wouldnt like. But how would centrist Catholics handle such a potent book? One case in point is offered by Our Sunday Visitor (OSV), another by the National Catholic Register. OSVs review (May 12) does allow that Rose "is doing important and courageous work" and that the book is worth reading, but calls the book "incendiary" and urges readers of the book to "bring a healthy dose of skepticism to Roses claims."
OSV says the book is a "wholesale condemnation of an entire system." Thats flatly untrue. Rose names eight seminaries such as Mount Saint Marys in Emmitsburg and Holy Apostles in Connecticut that are not undermining orthodoxy or orthopraxy.
OSV claims that Roses thesis is that there is a "churchwide conspiracy against the orthodox and straight." Per the above, Rose explicitly says the discrimination is not churchwide; moreover, Rose does not use the word "conspiracy."
OSV asserts that to prove his case, "Rose would have to get data from many dioceses, seminaries and religious orders about how many candidates have applied, how many of those have been turned away and what the reasons for dismissal were. He might even have had to personally visit some of the seminaries he critiques and do on-site reporting ."
But the notion that the officials in charge would have co-operated with an investigative journalist with a reputation for orthodoxy such as Rose giving the real reasons men were screened out or dismissed is preposterous. After all, there was a systematic on-site investigation of seminaries ordered by Pope John Paul II in 1981 (the Holy See knew back then that something was rotten in American seminaries). Unfortunately, the task was delegated to certain unreliable U.S. bishops and the result was a whitewash. Given all the sex scandals that have surfaced in recent years, and especially this year, who could possibly deny that it was a whitewash?
Indeed, if it wasnt a whitewash, why did the summit meeting of all U.S. cardinals with the Pope in Rome on April 23-24 call for another Vatican investigation of U.S. seminaries? Here are the words of the call: "a new and serious Apostolic Visitation of seminaries and other institutes of formation must be made without delay, with particular emphasis on the need for fidelity to the Churchs teaching, especially in the area of morality, and the need for a deeper study of the criteria of suitability of candidates to the priesthood." Note the word serious!
As for the line about "the criteria of suitability of candidates to the priesthood," John L. Allen Jr., the National Catholic Reporters ace Rome Correspondent, explained its meaning (May 3): "Observers took this point as an oblique way of calling for a much tougher policy concerning the admission of homosexuals to seminary study. [Bishop Wilton] Gregory [President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops] lent weight to this perception during an April 23 press briefing, acknowledging the existence of a homosexual atmosphere and dynamic in some seminaries . Gregory called for an ongoing struggle to be sure that the Catholic priesthood is not dominated by homosexual men. Conservative Catholic commentators have argued that tolerance of a homosexual subculture in the priesthood was partly to blame [for the priestly sex scandals] . The summit endorsed that view." In other words, the summit essentially affirmed what Rose reported in his Goodbye, Good Men!
OSVs review is titled "Good Men Tells Only Part of the Story," and the review concludes by saying that Roses book is "not, by any means, the whole story." Again, Rose never claimed to be telling the "whole story" about our entire seminary system. But OSV is also asserting that the part of the story Rose does tell is not the "whole story" either, for, says OSV, Rose is "relying on the testimony of only the dissatisfied," just telling "their side of their stories."
But we already know the "official" side of the story: "Everything is fine." Indeed, in many cases Rose did cite the official side of the story, and the response was denial, denial, denial. Now consider: If many bishops successors of the Apostles would cover up for pedophile and homosexual priests, and if in certain cases getting the pertinent documents required a court order, does anyone seriously believe that vocations directors and seminary officials would come clean? Puh-leez! Gads, not even an investigation ordered by the Pope could get the real story out of them.
But OSVs review was rather mild compared to what would follow in OSV. In the news section of the June 23 OSV theres an article titled "Read All About It: Publishers Looking for Ways to Cash In on a Contemporary Catholic Crisis." The crisis referred to is that of the priestly sex scandals. The article cites books coming out by "Church-basher Garry Wills" and "ex-priest Eugene Kennedy" and the new Regnery edition of Goodbye, Good Men by "Michael Rose." A little guilt by association? Of Roses book, OSV says it was "scantily researched." Now, Rose spent two and one half years researching and writing the book and employed two research assistants. "Scantily researched"?
As for those greedy publishers trying to cash in on the scandals, that OSV article, dated June 23, failed to mention that Our Sunday Visitor itself was bringing out a book on the scandals on June 28. Of course, Our Sunday Visitor wasnt trying to "cash in." Oh, no no, no!
Curiously, Our Sunday Visitors book, written by Fr. Benedict Groeschel, actually vouches for the authenticity of Roses book. Says Fr. Groeschel: "I know for a fact that much of what Rose says is true, and that good, orthodox, chaste seminarians were discriminated against in some seminaries."
But theres more. In the news section of the July 14 OSV theres an article on Roses book titled, "Goodbye! Scurrilous Journalist?" with the subtitle, "Blooming Bad," presumably an allusion to Roses name. The essence of the article is this: "Rose bases his findings exclusively on interviews with men who say they were drummed out of seminaries for being too othodox. He never checked their stories, didnt do any original research, didnt even call up the seminaries to hear their side of the story . Now the rector of the American College at Louvain, Belgium, which took a blistering attack from Rose, has published a formal response on the seminarys website (www.acl.be). Father Kevin Codd said a former seminarians charges that he was molested by the former rector and another seminarian were scurrilous and had been proven by outside investigators to be wholly without merit or substantiation. He said Rose never contacted the seminary to verify or seek a response to the charges ."
Rose then wrote a letter to the Editor of OSV to defend himself. Rose was told by the Editor that the letter, at 950 words, could not be printed because it was too long, but that Rose could re-write the letter with a 250 word limit. How strange! OSV has a special section in its letters section called "A Continuing Conversation" for lengthy letters. We checked through some recent issues of OSV and found, in the June 2 issue, a letter of 744 words. OSV could easily have printed Roses original letter, minus the less crucial last three paragraphs, and the word count would have been a hundred or so less than 744.
Since OSV doesnt want to allow Rose to defend himself fully, we are printing his original letter in its entirety. Here it is:
Dear Editor,
Your unsigned article on my book Goodbye, Good Men ("Goodbye! Scurrilous Journalist?" July 14) presents a number of gross factual errors. In fact, there is so little that is accurate in the article that I presume the anonymous author has not even read the book.
First, it is reported that I base my findings "exclusively on interviews with men who say they were drummed out of seminaries for being too orthodox." That is demonstrably false. Although I did conduct 150 personal interviews, I did not base my findings exclusively on these. Many of the interviewees had substantial documented evidence from which I quoted. Textbooks, class notes, syllabi, and tapes of class presentations used in seminary courses were also reviewed and presented as evidence in the book. Comparative statistics were presented, and a vast amount of relevant information from previously published sources was culled together under one cover as additional documentary evidence. Furthermore, not only did I interview many former and current seminarians, about one-third of the interviewees are now ordained priests. They are not men that I found to have axes to grind, but concerned priests who sincerely care about the well-being of the seminaries. Other interviewees served at one time as seminary professors or vocations directors.
Second, it is reported that I never checked their stories. This is also false. And I allegedly "didnt do any original research." Again, false in fact I hired two research assistants in the course of writing Goodbye, Good Men. I am then faulted for not giving the seminaries their side of the story. Yet, in many cases I quoted from written documentation provided by the seminaries in question. Yes, they were denials. The denials from rectors and bishops have been the same everywhere over past decades couched in the same self-interest that grounds the excuses about shuffling around sex abusers. The response is invariably: "All is well." The problem with the accounts in Goodbye, Good Men is that typically no "crime" was committed, so that the untruthfulness of the empowered will not be judged in a neutral venue e.g., the jury box. The sex abuse acts are not so easily spun away.
Third, your article misquotes Father Kevin Codd, the rector of Louvains American College Seminary in his formal response to my book. OSV claims that Fr. Codd "said a former seminarians charges that he was molested by the former rector and another seminarian were scurrilous." In fact, Fr. Codd did not write that at all. The seminarian in question never charged that he was molested by anyone. If the author of the article would have read the relevant section in the book he would have known that.
In Goodbye, Good Men I report that the seminarian charged that he was "harassed" repeatedly by a fellow seminarian, and that his complaints were not taken seriously by seminary staff. OSV quotes that the seminarians charges were proved by "outside investigators to be wholly without merit or substantiation." However, Fr. Codd wrote that the allegations were investigated by Bishop Edward Braxton, President of the American College. First, Bishop Braxton is not an "outside investigator," and second, if Bishop Braxton ever did investigate the matter he never bothered to contact the seminarian who made the allegations, even after the seminarian made an extraordinary effort to make himself available.
Fourth, I am also accused of not giving the rectors side of the story. Again, if the author of the article read the section in question he would see that I did indeed give voice to the rector, who was quoted directly from written documents that are duly footnoted.
According to their official website, the American College at Louvain (in Belgium) had seven theology students and four pre-theology students during the 2001-02 academic year. One has to wonder why a seminary operated directly by the U.S. bishops has only a handful of students. Fr. Codd calls the American College "healthy." How can any seminary be said to be healthy when only 11 seminarians are being sent there out of the entire United States? Eleven students does not even justify paying the heating bill at the seminary. Contrast these numbers to the only other overseas seminary specifically serving Americans: The North American College, known as one of the most conservative seminaries in Rome, presently has a student body of a healthy 175.
The OSV article also inaccurately summarizes my conclusions. Oddly enough, the best summary of my conclusions might be expressed by Archbishop Elden Curtiss, who wrote in the October 5, 1995, issue of OSV that the priest shortage is "artificial and contrived." Furthermore, he continued, "It seems to me that the vocations crisis is precipitated by people who want to change the Churchs agenda, by people who do not support orthodox candidates loyal to the magisterial teachings of the Pope and bishops, and by people who actually discourage viable candidates from seeking priesthood and vowed religious life as the Church defines these ministries." That is the crux of Goodbye, Good Men.
It is also worth noting that Father Benedict Groeschel in his new book From Scandal to Hope, published by Our Sunday Visitor, favorably recommends Goodbye, Good Men as contributing to a better understanding of the roots of the present sex abuse scandals. It even appears that Fr. Groeschel corroborates the factual basis of my book: "I know for a fact that much of what Rose says is true, and that good, orthodox, chaste seminarians were discriminated against in some seminaries" (p. 59).
Michael S. Rose Cincinnati, Ohio
The big question in all this (and in the next New Oxford Note) is: Why are moderate Catholic papers such as Our Sunday Visitor and the National Catholic Register so desperate to discredit Michael Roses book?
The Register Steps Into the Ring
The Features Editor of the National Catholic Register, one David Pearson, says hes "hopping mad" at the New Oxford Review and Michael S. Rose (Register, June 30-July 6). Hes decided to jump into the ring and let us have it.
First lets review the chronology. In the February 2002 NOR, Rose had a guest column called "MTV: A Recruiting Ground for Priests?," wherein he stated:
"In January 1999 the Diocese of Providence, one of the more liberal East Coast dioceses, initiated a major media blitz to target potential candidates to the priesthood . The Diocese has been running television commercials on the MTV network, a pop/rock music video station that doesnt exactly promote Catholic morals, thought, or teaching. The Dioceses Vocations Director explained that the best place to reach potential candidates would be on MTV and the Comedy Channel . Thoughtful Catholics wonder why a Catholic diocese would advertise to an audience that sits on the couch plugged into video music from bands such as Marilyn Manson, Godsmack, Limp Bizkit, and Porno for Pyros. This is the ultimate in cold call marketing techniques, and even makes faithful Catholics wonder if the Diocese is trying to attract un-churched men [into the priesthood]. Jason Bodoin, who told me that he wouldnt be caught dead watching MTV, wonders why the Diocese would advertise on MTV instead of Mother Angelicas EWTN. Bodoin, who considers himself an orthodox Catholic, applied to the priestly formation program in the Diocese of Providence in 1999 . After being interviewed by a woman he describes as a radical ex-nun, he was declared rigid, hostile, and reactionary for holding to Church teaching on essential issues of the Faith . Soon thereafter he received a rejection notice."
As was explained in the column, Jason Bodoin is a pseudonym, so as "to protect his identity as he seeks another diocese to accept him into seminary."
The essence of the above was reprinted in Roses book Goodbye, Good Men (Regnery edition, pp. 237-38; Aquinas edition, pp. 338-39). In the book, Rose identified the Vocations Director as Fr. Marcel L. Taillon, and added another quotation from Fr. Taillon explaining the campaign as well as a quotation from the diocesan newspaper justifying the MTV commercials. Also, the pseudonym of the rejected candidate was changed from Jason Bodoin to Patrick Simmons. In the Introduction to his book, Rose explained why some of the people he interviewed chose pseudonyms: "Some of my sources have asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons priests, because they fear retribution from their bishops or brother priests; and current seminarians, because they believe their frankness would jeopardize their chances of being recommended for ordination . Some former seminarians and those who have not yet been accepted into a formation program also chose to remain nameless to maximize their chances of being accepted into a diocese or religious order."
Then, in the May NOR in response to Roses column, there appeared a letter from Bradford Lefoley, saying: "Let me introduce you to the priest behind the [MTV] media folly: He is the chaplain at the high school I attend, and allow me to give you some background on what he (being very influential at my school and deeply involved in Peer Ministry) has allowed ." Lefoley didn't identify Fr. Taillon by name, but he listed seven problematic items, adding, "These are just a few of many injustices on which this priest has remained silent or in which he has participated."
So why is the Registers Pearson so enraged by all this? Because Fr. Taillon is a "personal friend" of Pearsons. And Pearson describes Fr. Taillon in glowing terms: "steadfast," "dedicated," "very faithful," "holy," and a "great priest." Not only that, but Fr. Taillon is virtually on par with the eucharistic Christ: "Ive seen him consecrate and adore and reverence and preach the Eucharist so zealously and so often that I can no longer call one to mind without thinking of the other."
Fr. Taillon may be holy, but holiness does not guarantee good judgment. One can certainly question the wisdom of trying to recruit holy priests from the MTV milieu. The Christ of the Eucharist earlier walked this earth, saying, "Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces" (Mt. 7:6). In this context, thats probably too harsh, so lets go with a modern paraphrase of that verse which is most apt: "Dont be flip with the sacred . Dont reduce holy mysteries to slogans. In trying to be relevant, youre only being cute and inviting sacrilege" (THE MESSAGE version). Roses book is about certain kinds of men who have entered our seminaries and become priests, and who, as we all know, have turned against their vow of celibacy and torn the Churchs reputation to pieces.
Well, Pearson comes out swinging, announcing that "Im going to set the record straight on Father Taillon." Pearson is very agitated with the NOR for publishing Lefoleys letter. Pearson nonetheless says nothing about six of the seven particulars Lefoley listed. But he takes a swing at one of them. Here it is, in Lefoleys words: "Then there is the torture orthodox Catholic students are forced to endure in Lifeteen Liturgies, in which the Blessed Sacrament is crushed into the floor and the electric guitars shatter what should be a sacred silence. During these Liturgies, the priest in question has composed little ditties to the Blessed Mother out of such songs as Mambo #5." Pearson says this "allegation" is "despicable," but does not refute Lefoleys account and does not even say its false. Its just a wild swing that completely misses the target.
Then instead of trying to land a blow, Pearson just talks trash: Lefoley is "hysterical" and his letter is "rubbish" and a "tirade" and a "wacky rant," even insinuating that Lefoley is "unbalanced mentally or emotionally."
Pearson lunges at the NOR, saying "Teen-agers [such as Lefoley] who rail against authority figures in their life should be at the top of the list of those whose accusations should never run unchecked." Thus, asserts Pearson, the NOR lacks "journalistic excellence." As a matter of fact, the Editor of the NOR did call Lefoley (on March 5, 2002) to get background on him and check out his story before printing the letter, something that is rarely done with letters to the editor. Pearson also lunges at Rose, saying that in the book Rose "shot his own credibility squarely in the foot." Pearson makes this grandiose judgment on the basis of reading only two pages of the book, those on his personal friend, Fr. Taillon. Pearson admits hes read nothing else in the book and makes bold to say he "will never" do so. Curiously, Pearsons lengthy piece is basically presented as a commentary on Roses book. What kind of "journalistic excellence" is it that evaluates a book based on only two pages about a personal friend?
With regard to both Roses column in the NOR and Roses book, Pearson huffs and puffs at Rose: "Interview multiple sources. Only quote people willing to give their names and speak on the record." Pearsons piece as it appears on the Internet (ncregister.com) ends with this: "For sound journalism on the seminary crisis, see John Burgers Whats Going on in the U.S.? Seminarians Have Surprising Answers to the Popes Question from the April 21-27 National Catholic Register."
OK, we read that article, and heres what we found:
· "One former vocations director, who asked not to be identified, felt that ."
· "One vocations director who asked not to be identified said that ."
· "Some observers said that many seminaries continue to ."
So much for "only quoting people willing to give their names"! And we found this:
· The Burger article interviewed Fr. John Canary, rector of St. Mary of the Lake Seminary in Mundelein, Ill. (known simply as Mundelein), giving his take on the situation at Mundelein. Fr. Canarys verdict: All is well. (Not surprisingly, this Canary with a vested interest is no canary.) Did the Register cite "multiple" opinions about Mundelein? No. Just Canarys. But the Register could easily have done so. Burger made reference to Goodbye, Good Men in his article and gave no indication that he found anything wrong with the book but did not mention anything about Mundelein from Roses book. Why not? Suffice it to say that Canarys Mundelein is, according to Roses book, one of the most flagrantly homosexual-friendly seminaries in the country. And two of those who testify gave their actual names. See Goodbye, Good Men (Regnery edition, pp. 55, 59-63, 71-78; Aquinas edition, pp. 91, 95-100, 112-22).
So how is it that the Register demands certain things of journalists that it itself doesnt practice? With all this heavy breathing and flailing, Pearson only trips himself up. Not a pretty sight.
But theres more: The July 7-13 Register carries a letter from Rose defending his book. But the Editor of the Register jumps into the ring with a reply, suggesting that Rose has done "significant damage" to Fr. Taillons "reputation" because Rose based his report on a nameless source ("its bad journalism to base an investigative report on the testimony of an anonymous source") and that in "impugning" Fr. Taillons reputation Rose may have committed a mortal sin ("for Catholics, the impugning of peoples reputations particularly those of priests and bishops constitutes grave matter"). However, the information on Fr. Taillons MTV commercials was not based on an anonymous source: It was based on Fr. Taillons own words from an article in the diocesan paper of Providence. If Fr. Taillons reputation has been damaged, it was a self-inflicted wound. And then the July 14-20 Register carries a letter defending Rose, and the Editor again jumps in with a reply, denouncing Rose again and pointing to John Burgers article in the Register as an example of sound journalism. As we saw, that article relied on anonymous sources, one of which even impugned the "doctrinal" integrity of "bishops"! Is hypocrisy, we wonder, "grave matter"?
On top of this, the Register has rejected advertising for Goodbye, Good Men in its pages. Something funny is going on here.
When it comes to internal Church battles the fight for the soul of the Church the Register is usually content to sit in the crowd munching peanuts. But not with Michael Rose. Fine. Actually, were glad to see the Register jump into the ring even if on the wrong side. Advice to the Register for next time: If you ever expect to lay a glove on anyone, you must get in shape, get a good trainer, and practice with a sparring partner. Above all, get your head in the game.
Until then
Dale Vree is editor of New Oxford Review.
Crisis magazines defense of a troubled and shrinking liberal seminary seems strangely out of character, and I hope it reflects a temporary lapse in judgment. The Pope has ordered a "serious" investigation of seminaries affiliated with the U.S. Church, with particular regard to dissent, homosexual cliques, and the abuse of psychological testing. Those who wish to cover up these crippling problems will no doubt brandish the Crisis article. That Crisis has been willing to do the dirty work for liberal Catholics reveals an astounding naïveté and lets hope weve seen the last of such gullibility.
In spite of this, my sources in Rome tell me that Goodbye, Good Men is being read in the Vatican and is being taken very seriously. While the influence of a book is almost impossible to trace, I am greatly encouraged that the Vatican recently prepared a draft document that says that anyone with a homosexual orientation must not be admitted to seminary, and if said inclination is discovered later he must not be ordained. Also, the Vatican is working on a document that will eliminate as much as possible the abuse of psychological testing in the discernment of vocations, and John L. Allen Jr., the Rome Correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter, says that "one catalyst" for the latter document "has been the much-discussed book Goodbye, Good Men" (Aug. 2 issue).
It is odd that Crisis, of all publications, should be so protective of the status quo. I thought they were into exposing what is wrong in the Church? I think it shows that life is complicated, and that we especially don't want to know that men whom we thought to be our friends and allies, are in fact not what they seemed to be.
The third article was published by Culture Wars. E. Michael Jones, not only the Editor but the personification of Culture Wars, admitted to me that he hadnt read Goodbye, Good Men when he published a five-page review of the book studded with many factual errors written by recently ordained Fr. Robert J. Johansen. Curiously, the majority of his criticisms much of it based on erroneous second-hand information focused on events and issues that werent even mentioned in the book he was supposedly reviewing. Despite the numerous and blatant inaccuracies of the Johansen broadside (pointed out by me and by others), it has been quoted or cited uncritically by everyone from the National Catholic Register to "gay" apologist Andrew Sullivan. [See the article by Jay McNally in this NOR Ed.]Nary a word of mention of the fact that Roses lawyer started threatening this priest with a libel suit, and when that wasnt sufficient, he also apparently threatened the priests Bishop. From the NOR article:
What's Michael Rose to do when an authority figure such as a priest is spreading serious misinformation about him, and other Catholic journalists are spreading these falsehoods? Rose told me this: "Just about every time I tried to communicate with Fr. Johansen either by phone or by e-mail, he wound up twisting things I said and imputing the worst motives to me. I'd say things to him in good faith, and I'd see my comments in print, twisted into some incredible conspiracy to lie and cheat. He's called me a liar repeatedly and ascribed to me motives that were simply not true. I decided I had had enough and, in consultation with other well-known Catholic journalists, decided my only recourse was to claim my rights and discuss a formal retraction for the falsehoods he wrote about me." Rose's efforts to communicate with Fr. Johansen proved futile, so Rose took up a Catholic attorney's offer to challenge Fr. Johansen to the either back up his claims or face a federal lawsuit for libel.Hey, at least this one mentions the libel claim that Rose sent to Johansen, but it too fails to note that Roses attorney also apparently threatened the Bishop.
From Johansens Blog, before Rose got to the Bishop, who ordered Johansen to silence:
>[From Roses lawyers letter to Johansen] Furthermore, I am concurrently corresponding with the Most Reverend James A. > Murray, Bishop of the Diocese of Kalamazoo, under the assumption that he has > either tacitly or expressly permitted one of his own priests to initiate and > publish the above mentioned website.... In the event that this is not the > case, said correspondence will clearly indicate to the diocese that this office > considers any and all future wrongful publications by you to be published with > the expressed or implied authorization and ratification of the diocese of > Kalamazoo.It worked, Fr. Johansens Bishop ordered him to silence:[Johansens words] Of course, it is absurd to hold my bishop responsible for the private opinions expressed by me in book reviews, articles, or on my website. My bishop "ratifies" my opinions about Mr. Rose and his book no more than he does my opinions about the Chicago Cubs' pennant prospects. So why drag him into this? Well, I think that Mr. Rose has taken a lesson from the recent fate of Fr. Brian Sibley and his blog, A Saintly Salmagundi. Fr. Sibley was silenced by his bishop for creating too much controversy in his blog. It seems clear to me that Rose and his attorneys hope, by threatening the prospect of legal action involving the diocese, to manipulate my bishop into silencing me. It's my guess that they hope my bishop will not want to deal with a potential legal hassle, and tell me to leave Mr. Rose alone. In other words, this is an attempt at intimidation.
Friday, September 06, 2002Rose Matter Under Review
Just so it is clear what is actually happening:
My bishop, James A. Murray of Kalamazoo, has asked me to make no further public statements about Michael Rose, Goodbye! Good Men, or Rose's threatened legal action until he has had the opportunity to review the matter. I am meeting with him next week, when, I imagine, he will render a judgment about how he would like me to proceed.
Please pray for me, Michael Rose, and my bishop, that we will act with prudence, fairness, and wisdom in this matter.
Thursday, October 03, 2002My friends, I also want to take this opportunity to tell you that I am taking a blog vacation for a short time to attend to my pastoral responsibilities and to work on a manuscript for a Catholic magazine. I will return when time and energy permit me.
Rose not only got Johansen silenced, he got him off the internet entirely! Now, various people have tried to claim Rose could have had legitimate reasons for threatening the Bishop. So, in good faith, I sent Rose an e-mail asking about it. I also asked if he would release copies of the letters. He didnt reply. I e-mailed again. He didnt reply. Apparently he doesnt care to defend his actions.
Many of you wanted to wait for Roses side of the story. He wont provide it, which only means one thing. I was right, this is pure, immoral, intimidation of a priest. What say you know?
All the available evidence indicates that Rose actually and successfully threatened a Bishop with a lawsuit, and successfully used that to shut down a priest. I cannot imagine anyone thinking that a Bishop approves everything a priest writes, and is therefore legally liable for those words. Moreover, I do not think it to be a legitimate principle to say that simply because people associate a priest with his Bishop, the Bishop should be used to shut the priest up whenever he issues an unpopular opinion. The result is to treat our priests like subhuman serfs.
I mean, my word, our priests issue such tepid, weak homilies as it is! What on earth is going to happen if everyone who doesnt like something the priest does threatens the Bishop with litigation? Our priests will become even worse. I would have a far different opinion here if Mr. Rose had written to the priests Bishop and simply asked him to intervene. He didnt do that, according to the letter, he threatened that the Bishop was responsible.
Again, this is not Traditionalism. A traditionalist might ask the Bishop to consider the issue. He would not say In the event that this is not the case, said correspondence will clearly indicate to the diocese that this office considers any and all future wrongful publications by you to be published with the expressed or implied authorization and ratification of the diocese of Kalamazoo. That is absurd.
You all can continue to support his man. I find him unethical, and have no use for catholics like this. Various folks have said a great deal in defense of Mr. Rose, but nearly everyone indicates that if his actions are intimidation, they are improper. Despite this, and despite how clearly this is intimidation, I suspect he hasnt lost a single fan over this, just as I predicted. A couple quotes from last time:
So, Mr. Barcaro, have you even asked him why he did this? Have you admonished him as you claimed you would? We here very little from you on this, but your website still promotes him.
To: patent
Don't be too quick to judge Rose's actions as intimidation.
If that is what it turns out to be I will personally admonish him. He is a bright guy and he's young one of the few bright spots of the Church in the future.
-- BBarcaro
33 posted on 09/06/2002 0:01 AM CDT by BBarcaro
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From Polycarp:
Well, OK, what is it that we arent seeing in Roses actions? He threatened the Bishop, the Bishop silenced the priest. Flat out intimidation, unethical and immoral in my view, and Rose wont even respond to requests for an explanation.
To: patent
What is your opinion of his efforts to contact the Bishop then?
Simple. Having myself recently been the victim of lies publicly posted on a Catholic website read by some orthodox Catholics, I know first hand the utter frustration and anger at being powerless in having said slanders removed.
There's far more to this than meets the eye, Patent.
115 posted on 09/06/2002 2:30 PM CDT by Polycarp
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Sitetest said, on that last thread, that:
If it is a bluff, if he is merely trying to silence a man who is telling the truth, then may he be exposed and ruined.I responded:
No, he wont be exposed and ruined. No chance. If Im wrong he will respond clearly and publicly, and I will retract. However, knowing how this play works, even if Im right hell be fine. He will either ignore this issue, or if he speaks he will issue some vague statement, lots of words, little substance. Fr. Johansen isnt going to sue him because most normal people dont do that, nor do they run around waiving lawyers everywhere, especially when they cant afford them.So Im curious to see your reactions. Has this action affected his reputation with you, and if so how? I somehow doubt it, and am willing to bet I was largely right. AT most, a few of the Freeper denizens whove read these threads have second thoughts, but in the world at large, his play was entirely safe, and entirely immoral.There really is no scenario that Mr. Rose, if even remotely competently advised, will be hurt by this. Its an entirely safe mud ball to throw.
Johansen may have said things he shouldn't have, but he can no longer defend himself due to his Bishop's instructions. Rose, on the other hand, after silencing Johnasen so that he can't respond any longer, helps NOR put out a hit piece on Johansen.
Despicable.
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Why is Michael Rose such a target, even for those that would seem to agree with him?I reject him because he threatened a weak knee Bishop into silencing a critic, and then goes on here to help NOR do a hit piece on that silenced critic, who can no longer respond. I find that an abuse of the legal process.
Dominus Vobiscum
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This says a lot more about the reliability of Crisis than it does about Michael Rose.Do you support threatening to sue a Bishop unless he silences a priest critic of Mr. Roses? Do you support this:
>[From Roses lawyers letter to Johansen] Furthermore, I am concurrently corresponding with the Most Reverend James A. Murray, Bishop of the Diocese of Kalamazoo, under the assumption that he has either tacitly or expressly permitted one of his own priests to initiate and publish the above mentioned website.... In the event that this is not the case, said correspondence will clearly indicate to the diocese that this office considers any and all future wrongful publications by you to be published with the expressed or implied authorization and ratification of the diocese of Kalamazoo.
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Deal Hudson ought to know better. He and Crisis Magazine owe Catholics and others an apology. Michael Rose's book is right on target and if Hudson disagrees, he is wrongMy impression is that Crisis generally agrees that there are serious problems of the nature Rose describes in the seminaries. That is not the criticism of the man.
I'll ask you as well. Do you support threatening to sue a Bishop unless he silences a priest critic of Mr. Roses? Do you support this:
>[From Roses lawyers letter to Johansen] Furthermore, I am concurrently corresponding with the Most Reverend James A. Murray, Bishop of the Diocese of Kalamazoo, under the assumption that he has either tacitly or expressly permitted one of his own priests to initiate and publish the above mentioned website.... In the event that this is not the case, said correspondence will clearly indicate to the diocese that this office considers any and all future wrongful publications by you to be published with the expressed or implied authorization and ratification of the diocese of Kalamazoo.
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What's Michael Rose to do when an authority figure such as a priest is spreading serious misinformation about himIt just amazes me that they ask this question, then mention the libel charge made to Johansen, but then they dont bother to mention that pesky little detail about what really seems to have shut Johansen up, threatening the Bishop:
Rose's efforts to communicate with Fr. Johansen proved futile, so Rose took up a Catholic attorney's offer to challenge Fr. Johansen to the either back up his claims or face a federal lawsuit for libel.To ask that question, and then give that half answer, is in my view, intellectually dishonest. If you want to ask what Rose is going to do in response to Johansen, then admit all of what he did, not the part you find most helpful.
If your going to slam the man, at least admit you made it so that he cant respond to you.
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I'll forward your comments.
Yes, I still support Rose. I simply do not see this as you do, but I respect your opinion and will not argue with you about it.
BK
I never had an respect for Michael Rose to begin with, as you know. His refusal to honestly sit down with rectors and seminary officials of seminaries he was about to scorch told me all I needed to know about his one-sided screed.
And, yes, I've read the book.
He didn't ask them. Instead, he used the lame excuse "Well, we know what they would have said, so why talk to them?"
But, then, as it's been pointed out to me, Rose is not a journalist. He's an author with a point of view, so why include anybody who opposes his point of view?
I saw Rose's commentary regarding Johannsen. As I read it this priest was out to destroy Rose, which was Rose's contention.
I personally find it hard to believe that a man who has been so careful with all of his other books would all of a sudden be sloppy about one with such a sensitive topic. That doesn't fit Michael Rose's modus operandi as I'm aware of it.
GM
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I will speak from what I know personally about Michael Rose. I gave Mr. Rose every opportunity to use all of the information from my website through which I personally lived regarding the crap going on in our diocese. He chose NOT, I repeat, NOT to do that, preferring to let the heretic David J. Brown and our bishop's support of him hang themselves. To me, that speaks a lot for the prudential judgment about how Rose approached his book.
GM
By the way, Brian Barcaro is in the midst of law school finals, so I don't expect to talk to him or get a response this week.
I shared you comments with a very close friend, who also knows BBarcaro quite well. Here's two comments from him. He who worked with Rose on the matters regarding our own diocese mentioned in his book:My concern, at least at the moment, is more on his threat to the Bishop. He has never denied he did this, nor has he explained why. Not that it matters, there is really only one reason why.
By the way, Brian Barcaro is in the midst of law school finals, so I don't expect to talk to him or get a response this week.LOL. I have a feeling I understand. Actually, Im about in the same boat right now. I got about 4 hours of sleep over the weekend, and am shortly running on empty. My blood stream is pure Mountain Dew at the moment.
Dominus Vobiscum
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