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To: ultima ratio
Strawman: You claim I worship the pope. I do not. I simply recognize that where Peter is there is the Church like twenty centuries of Catholics preceding me who felt no need to call themselves traditionalist and managed to keep civil tongues in their heads as to popes who were mostly far less impressive than this one.

If John Henry Cardinal Newman thought otherwise [giving you the improbable benefit of whatever doubt there might be], he was wrong too. In any event, no one estabnlished you or Marcel Lefevbre or John Henry Cardinal Newman as judge over this or any other pope. which is the point you must refuse lest you sink back into the personal insignificance that you merit and have difficulty in futuro drawing attention to yourself.

Let's see: ultima ratio on the one hand and JPII on the other: whose is the authority? I'm going with JPII which certainly seems like the safe choice. If God did not want JPII, he would not be there. If He wanted you, you would be there. JPII is pope. You are not. I have no doubt that Cardinal Ratzinger would agree since he serves JP II as head of the Holy Office. Aren't you nervy citing Ratzinger who is, after all, the trusted confidante of the pope you despise by appointment of the pope you despise. Have you no shame? Why are we arguing about this? Just because you want attention, that's why!

51 posted on 11/30/2002 1:40:08 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
You got it wrong--again. It is not myself on the one hand and John Paul II on the other; it is John Paul II on the one hand and all the popes and councils of history on the other.
71 posted on 11/30/2002 5:36:48 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: BlackElk
I'm going with JPII which certainly seems like the safe choice

Descartes Lives On!!!

92 posted on 11/30/2002 8:16:53 PM PST by ninenot
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