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To: RnMomof7; xzins
Dec I do canning ..I preseve the fruit and vegetables .Read that as I PRESERVE them They do not preserve themselves by their actions..nor do they stay preserved because I said I was going to can them. They stay preserved because I ACT ON THEM . I clean them then I then I seal them .. That is why it is called the perseverence of the saints..Gods grace and the indwelling Holy Spirit PRESEVE the elect Your once saved always saved is a lie from the pit of hell...it allows a man to say a sinners prayer and then live like hell...and still believe he is saved.. If you have a problem with this quote of yours . Those who are saved by grace and changed, desire(emphasis added) to show forth the fruits of that salvation. God motions the heart to good work, and continues that good work to the end. Perhaps you are not saved..and you are one of the OSAS deception..

This was not a discussion on OSAS, you said I did not understand Preservation of the Saints, which I do.

It means that if you fall into a wicked sin and do not repent, you were never the elect.

OSAS believes that one can continue in sin right through death,(1Jn.5:16, Acts.5) because of their own will rejects God. (1Thess.5:19 and Eph.4:30)

The Calvinist view of Preservation is an attempt at eternal security, but the Calvinists fearing antinomianism, added a works provision to it.

34 posted on 11/23/2002 3:35:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
It means that if you fall into a wicked sin and do not repent, you were never the elect.

Have you ever read the parable of the prodical son or the lost sheep or coin? We have more faith than to believe that God would allow an elect child of his to not be brought back home..It is the Wesleyans that have that problem NOT the Calvinists

Don’t confuse the repentance of a backslider with an apostate returning to faith.

So tell me dec witch came first the doctrine of the reformers on the preservation of the saints or it's demonic OSAS counterfit?

35 posted on 11/23/2002 4:51:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
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