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To: Tantumergo
The ark was the center of Jewish worship..the blood was spilled on it one time a year for the forgiveness of the sins of the nation..you blaspheme God Almighty by making Mary the savior of men..that is a lie from the pit of hell, in your search for a pagan godess you have turned a symbol of Christ into a human woman

No one could come close to it except the high Priest one time a year..and then only with many cermonial washings..

You are guilty of breaking the 1st commandment.

The Ark of the Covenant (Exodus 25:10-22) inside the Holy of Holies represented Christ our all in all   The Ark was made of acacia wood overlaid with gold.  The wood represented the humanity of Christ and the gold, the deity.  The combination represented the Lord Jesus Christ, the uniquely born Son of God perfect humanity and undiminished deity.  The Lord Jesus Christ was uniquely qualified to satisfy the demands of a Holy and Righteous God and bear the sins of the world.  As deity, He was equal with God.  As humanity, He was equal with mankind.  As deity, He was acceptable to God.  As humanity, He could represent mankind.  The Lord Jesus Christ, thus, became the mediator between God and man.

The Ark of the Covenant contained three things:  A golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the Tablet of the Ten Commandments (Hebrews 9:4). 

The Ark was covered with a Mercy Seat of pure gold, which represents Christ, our propitiation (Romans 3:25; Hebrews 9:5 Greek).  The blood was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat on the Day of Atonement; and God was satisfied, which means that God the Father was satisfied (propitiated) by the work of Christ on the cross on behalf of mankind.

That the ark was designed to be a symbol of the presence of God in the midst of His people is the common teaching of the Old Testament. According to the Elohist the ark was made to serve as a comfort to the people for this, that they were to leave the mountain where God had caused them to realize His presence (Exodus 30:6). According to the Priestly Code (P), God purposed to speak with Moses from the place between the cherubim upon the ark. According to Judges 2:1, the angel of Yahweh spoke in Bethel (Bochim) in reproof and exhortation to the people, after the ark of the covenant had been brought to that place; for the comparison of Numbers 10:33 and Exodus 23:20 shows that Judges 2:1 is to be understood as speaking of the transfer of the ark to Bethel. When Israel in the time of Eli was overpowered by the Philistines, the Israelites sent for the ark, in order that Yahweh should come into the camp of Israel, and this was also believed to be the case by the Philistines (1 Samuel 4:3). After the ark had come to Bethshemesh and a pestilence had broken out there, the people did not want to keep the ark, because no one could live in the presence of Yahweh, this holy God (1 Samuel 6:20); and Jeremiah says (3:16,17) that an ark of the covenant would not be again made after the restoration of Israel, but then Jerusalem would be called the "throne of Yahweh," i.e. it would so manifestly be the city of God that it would guarantee the presence of God at least just as much as the ark formerly did.

In olden times these things appeared more realistic to the people than they do to us; and when the ark was considered the visible representation of the presence of Yahweh, and as guaranteeing His presence, a close material connection was thought to exist between the ark and Yahweh, by virtue of which Divine powers were also thought to be present in the ark. The people at Bethshemesh were not willing to keep the ark any longer in their midst, because they could not live in its near presence. David's dancing before the ark is regarded by him and by the narrator of the event as a dancing before the Lord (2 Samuel 6:5,14,21), and in 2 Samuel 7:5 God says, through Nathan, that He had wandered around in a tent since He had led the Israelites out of Egypt. But the view advocated by some of the modern critics, that the Israelites had thought that the ark was the dwelling- place or the throne-seat of Yahweh, is nevertheless not correct. This opinion cannot be harmonized with this fact, that in the sources, dating from the same olden times, mention is made of His dwelling in many places in Canaan and outside of Canaan, so that the idea that His presence or even He Himself is confined to the ark is impossible.

Repent Tonto and give God His glory!

63 posted on 11/21/2002 9:35:18 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Mary is the savior only in the sense that our own mother's are our saviors.
64 posted on 11/21/2002 9:48:43 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RnMomof7
"The ark was the center of Jewish worship..the blood was spilled on it one time a year for the forgiveness of the sins of the nation..you blaspheme God Almighty by making Mary the savior of men.."

Show me once in the following passage where I claim that Mary was the saviour of men. If you are assuming that the Ark of the Covenant was the people's saviour in the Old testament and then extrapolating that to what I said then you have some very strange ideas about the Ark of the Covenant!

"Your Plim man is confusing the created with the creator. The Ark was indeed the Holiest object of the Old Covenant, but nevertheless it was still a CREATED object and was not God Himself.

The Messiah is foreshadowed by what the Ark contained rather than the Ark. The Ark is therefore a type of what bore the Messiah - not the Messiah Himself. The Ark contained:

1) Stone Tablets - The Word of God
2) Manna - The Bread of life
3) Staff or Branch - The Branch that would spring from Jesse

Just as Mary bore the fulfilment of all these types in her womb!

St Luke clearly understands the Ark to be a type of Mary, and its contents to be types of the Messiah. Not only is Mary to be overshadowed by the Shekinah as was the Ark:

Lk1:35 "And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

But Luke sets the account of the visitation entirely in the context of 2 Samuel 6 where David recovers the Ark. Compare the following:

2 Sam 2-3 "And David arose and went, with all the people that were with him and set out for Balaa of JUDAH...from the house of Abinadab on the HILL"
Lk 1:39 "And Mary rising up in those days, went into the HILL country with haste into a city of JUDAH."

2 Sam 6:9 "How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?"
Lk 1:43 "And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"

2 Sam 6:11 "And the ark of the Lord abode in the house of Obededom the Gethite three months"
Lk 1:56 "And Mary abode with her about three months"

2 Sam 6:14 And David danced with all his might before the Lord
Lk 1:44 "the infant in my womb leaped for joy"


If Luke had incorporated just one or two of these parallels it might have been a coincidence, but to have FIVE allusions to the Ark within just twenty verses is absolutely conclusive.

To assert that the Ark was a type of Jesus rather than Mary is to fail to understand that what the Ark contained was greater than the Ark itself - just as what Mary bore was far greater than Mary herself."


No - I think its you who should repent Mom, because you reject the inspired insights of St. Luke in favour of one of your nutty fundamentalists.

68 posted on 11/22/2002 1:47:49 AM PST by Tantumergo
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To: RnMomof7
"..in your search for a pagan godess you have turned a symbol of Christ into a human woman"

Not only do you reject St. Luke's insights, but you also reject St. John's vision that was given to him directly by Christ:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ARK of his COVENANT was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail. A great sign appeared in heaven: A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:" Apoc 11:19 - 12:1

If you think that the Ark representing a Woman is pagan goddess worship, then you must accuse St. John and Holy Scripture of this.

I will stick with the testimony of Scripture thank you, but no doubt you are free to reject it as another epistle of straw!

That's what you get when you substitute enlightenment modernism for the Holy Tradition of the Fathers.
69 posted on 11/22/2002 2:04:06 AM PST by Tantumergo
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