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To: RichardMoore
Are you a scismatic? So what is your solution?

1)His "solution" is the schismatic SSPX.

2)Don't bother telling him the SSPX is in schism, he says its not.

Welcome to the long and arduous Catholics wars, with the "integrists" on the far right (to use the conservative Catholics' derogatory label for them) and the "neoCatholics" in the role of defending the post-conciliar Church (to use the traditionalists' derogatory label for conservative Catholics.)

Most Catholic threads here on this forum have degerated into ongoing battles between the trads and the conservative Catholics and the anti-Catholic protestants.

Often the trads and the anti-Catholic protestants use the same rhetoric.

Yes, it can be confusing. Its a sad state of affairs, but then so is the Church today in general.

29 posted on 11/10/2002 12:31:57 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Dear Polycarp, I cannot subscribe to any ideology even if it is Catholic. Therefore I don't think I fit into any of those categories.

I do lean toward GK Chesterton since I myself am a convert.

The controversy over new mass and old mass seems futile to me. The Eucharist is Jesus even if the priest doesn't believe it. That was quite a revelation to find in the catachism.

Anyway, I do agree that the Church in American like most things is in trouble and the Vatican is looking to the future of the Church, and it's not in the North but in the south..Africa and South America.

Chesterton talked quite a bit about the Industrial Capitalism and how it has been a huge enemy of the family. He said Communism could have been but it was doomed to failure. But Captialism requires families to split up in search of a livelihood.

This is the crux of the modern problem. I believe that Pius X was right as was Leo XIII. Without a break from the current system of wage slavery as Belloc called it we cannot expect things to get better within or without the Church.

When I meet foreign priests from the third world I am constantly amazed at their orthodoxy and reminded that America is after all a Protestant country.

222 posted on 11/16/2002 6:54:20 PM PST by RichardMoore
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