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To: LadyDoc
The Mass is trivia? The Rosary is only the latest devotion to be sabotaged by this papacy. The whole of Catholic culture and devotional life, as well as the dogmas and theologies of the ancient faith are under attack. This is merely another small step in the overall dismantling of the Catholic Church.
19 posted on 11/10/2002 10:10:36 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
The Mass is not trivia. But there is an essence necessary in the Mass, and then there is the triva around it. I've been to Mass under a tree in Africa said in Karanga, with a half dozen people in rags sitting on the ground, and in St. Peter's in Rome where Mass was in Latin and celebrated with choirs and pagentry.

But the rosary IS trivia. It's not in the Bible. It is a pious devotion that sprang up in the days when people couldn't read or write, so they too could pray at home. You see how this works in mission fields, where families pray it every evening in African huts and in Filippino villages. You see it in South America where people wear the rosary around their necks. It is the prayer of the pious and meek.

Your main problem is that you love the church of pre vatican II. Well, there were many good things about it. However, I too remember thinking I'd go to hell because I forgot and ate meat on Friday, or drank before communion. To this day, I can recite the rules about fasting, marriage, etc.

But despite all the piety, there were problems. You should read Catherine Doherty's writings about when she tried to find Catholic colleges for her students to study (she worked with the poor in Harlem). Piety yes, integration, no. They preferred the customs of THAT time over justice for Catholics of a different colour.

You want to correct the Pope? Fine. Read Catherine of Sienna's letters blasting the Pope.

But remember: Only one person outranks the Pope. And that is a saint.

Don't you believe that the Holy Spirit is working in the church? Remember the promise that the gates of hell will not prevail against it?

Get real, man. A suggestion that people pray in a slightly different way from the previous custom is merely that: a suggestion, not a dismatling of Christianity.

We just finished a century where millions were martyred. I myself personally know missionaries who died for their faith. They weren't asked if they used three decades or four.

Similarly, we won't be judged on whether we use three decades or four. We will be judged on if we feed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, care for the homeless and sick, and place God's will before our own.
22 posted on 11/10/2002 10:44:12 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: ultima ratio
OK, you don't like this pope. So what is your solution? Are you a scismatic?
28 posted on 11/10/2002 12:18:22 PM PST by RichardMoore
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