Posted on 11/08/2002 7:23:24 AM PST by narses
Yes, moshiach will come. We await for him in the same way in which you await the second coming of Jesus. We don't know when it will be any more than you know when Jesus is supposed to return.
We will know because he will fulfil all of the messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures within his lifetime. If he doesn't, he ain't the messiah.
I don't think you mean this statement literally. Do you?
but you still don't give a good reason for rejecting Christ's teachings.
In your opinion. Which really doesn't matter to me. My reasons for believing as I do are not based upon the approval or disapproval of others.
While picking specific dates for the beginning of the Great Apostasy might be an enjoyable parlour game, let's not get carried away here. It can become as silly as the endless declarations and hasty retractions of the Jehovah's Witnesses deadlines for the end of the world.
We can consider specific events as signs of the Great Apsotasy. But I don't think we'll know when it started, unfortunately, until it's over.
This is a good thing! It is clear to me after reading the Cardinals words that this teaching is totally in line with the life of Christ!
Reference this statement:
"We sincerely reject and regret this today," he said. He noted that the Catholic Church now condemns all means of coercion in matters of faith.
I will be standing by , anxiously awaiting, the reply of anyone who can prove Jesus Christ forced anyone to believe in Him.
-grump
<> It began with the first "Non Serviam."<>
I don't like where you are going with this, so let's just drop it, okay?
Okay, angelo, I'm not going to argue. Whatever your story is...no one can force you to believe one way or the other.
Yep.
Do you have any idea what it's going to take on Saturday morning (yes this coming Saturday) to walk out on a stage and sing before judges for the Metropolitan Opera?
I hadn't heard. I wish you the all the best.
Shalom.
Oh, come on now, angelo...you don't really mean that do you?:) The Christian definition of adultery, as expanded by Jesus, is that it is not just the physical act of adultery, but in thinking lustfully of one other than your wife. I don't know about the rest of the male population, but I find this commandment EXTREMELY hard to keep, especially in today's society.
What that shows me however is the intended purpose of the Law. I agree with you all that the Jewish Covenant is still valid. It would have to have been valid for Christ's work to be accomplished. While the Law is established in covenant with the Jews, it is binding upon all humanity because it is the revelation of God's perfect righteousness...the standard by which He judges His creation. As angelo probably knows, even if he doesn't acknowledge its validity, the Law actually points to Christ by revealing sin in humanity. None of us has any hope of fully keeping the Law perfectly, and if you break one little part you break it all. The Law was intended ultimately to point to the need for salvation through grace.
While I do not agree with the Dispensationalist view, I also do not think God has turned His back on natural Israel. I believe Romans 11 speaks to this effect, and I believe there will be massive conversions preceding the Second Coming. As a Christian, angelo, of course I would pray for this for you and others. I don't support open targeting of Jews for evangelism and conversion, but I do believe in maintaining dialog and being open to discussion, much as you are in this forum. I will certainly continue to pray for God's will in your life, for ultimately all our fates rest with Him.
It should come as no surprise to you that I don't accept the gospel definition of adultery.
As angelo probably knows, even if he doesn't acknowledge its validity, the Law actually points to Christ by revealing sin in humanity.
Nope. I do not know this. I do not believe it.
For this commandment which I command you this day is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, `Who will go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, `Who will go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it. (Deuteronomy 30:11-14)
I can see that it is very difficult for Christians to see this from the Jewish perspective. But we really do think that the reason God gave us His commandments was not to convict us of our sin (a Pauline teaching), but to be obeyed.
I will certainly continue to pray for God's will in your life, for ultimately all our fates rest with Him.
Thank you Fru. May His blessings be upon you.
Saw your dad posting last night and said hello. Good to see him drop in! :o)
LOL! Actually, my favorite canon from the Fourth Lateran is Canon 2, which condemned Joachim of Fiore as "heretical and insane."
Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton.
<> Try to keep before your imagination an image of Rosie O'Donnell doing jumping-jacks while wearing a bikini. I find that helpful.<>
Heheheh... I wonder how many people fnord will get that reference. ;o)
Ugh. I'd rather wear a hair shirt and kneel on broken glass.
It's all the Jews fault. Where have I heard this before?
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