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Yes, she was judged at the moment of her death, which is in God's eyes the same as now or indeed the very moment of Creation.

Forget it, Robby. Mom's God is big enough to be master of time when it comes to her considering herself "clean" when she clearly isn't yet. But he's not big enough to be master of time when it comes to our prayers for the dearly departed.

SD

But he's not big enough to be master of time when it comes to our prayers for the dearly departed.

Dave, Dave, Dave:)....It's not a matter of God's power. It is a matter of Man's power. God did put man in the constraits of a time frame. We have to mak a choice for God within the time frame of our physical life on earth. Once that is over no amount of prayers will change the choices we make.

Do you understand this concept and just don't agree, or do you not understand?

Becky

Purgatory
Psalm 66
12
You made men ride over our heads;
We went through fire and through water,
Yet You (brought us out into a place of abundance

Ecclesiastes 12
14 For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.

Isaiah 4
4 When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and purged the bloodshed of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and the spirit of burning,

Isaiah 6
5 Then I said,
Woe is me, for I am ruined!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips;
For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."
6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs.
7 He touched my mouth with it and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven."

Micah 7:
8
Do not rejoice over me, O my enemy.
Though I fall I will rise;

Though I dwell in darkness, the LORD is a light for me.
9
I will bear the indignation of the LORD
Because I have sinned against Him,
Until He pleads my case and executes justice for me.

Malachi 3
The Purifier

1 Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts.
2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.
3 "He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the LORD offerings in righteousness.
4 "Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.

Matthew 12
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Luke 16

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 "Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day.
20 "And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores,
21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores.
22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
25 "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
27 "And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house--
28 for I have five brothers--in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29 "But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.'
30 "But he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!'
31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'"

1 Peter 3
19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,
20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

1 Corinthians 3
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.
14 If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will (receive a reward.
15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Philippians 2
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Thessalonians 3
13 so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.

2 Timothy 1
16 The Lord grant mercy to (the house of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains;
17 but when he was in Rome, he eagerly searched for me and found me--
18 the Lord grant to him to find mercy from the Lord on that day--and you know very well what services he rendered at Ephesus.

2 Corinthians 5
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Revelation 5
3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it.

Revelation 5
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who () sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

Revelation 21
27 and ) nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

2 Corinthians 7
1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Dave you are a smart man..and you are a man with a real interest in spiritual things..a wonderful thing.

You understand exactly what I have said..you just do not choose to believe it..

God has forgiven me and moved my sins as far s the east is from the west..He has promised he sees them NO MORE..those are his words not mine.

Not one of us "feel" worthy, ..that is what brings repentance

Not one of us is worthy ..that is what Gods mercy means

You know all of that , and you know exactly what Mack and I have said...me thinks you have spiritual eyes you prefer to keep shut for now because to open then might mean that you have to make a very painful decision