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To: RnMomof7
If the Potter puts His clay into a kiln, to burn off the waste and to perfect the pot, is that a "work" of the clay pot?

Is that what the scripture says? Please cite the verse that says He burns off the waste to make it perfect for use..Having done ceramics I know you do not do that ..but show me the scripture

What a lame attempt to duck the question. Is a clay piece "perfect" before it is fired? Would you make soup in an unfired ceramic pot? No.

The pot needs to be fired before it is perfected for use. Now, and I invite you to answer the question, if the maker puts the clay pot into the kiln to be perfected, is that the "work" of the clay pot?

As for "Scripture" showing us being tested in fire, you know what it is. But your PIOS ignores it.

SD

115 posted on 11/04/2002 7:03:38 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Is that what the scripture says? Please cite the verse that says He burns off the waste to make it perfect for use..Having done ceramics I know you do not do that ..but show me the scripture
What a lame attempt to duck the question. Is a clay piece "perfect" before it is fired? Would you make soup in an unfired ceramic pot? No.

The clay IS PERFECT BEFORE it is fired..the firing does not make it perfect..

The pot needs to be fired before it is perfected for use.
Now, and I invite you to answer the question, if the maker puts the clay pot into the kiln to be perfected, is that the "work" of the clay pot?

I have answered that you just do not like the answer because it does not line up with what you want to believe

    Rom 9:20   Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
     Rom 9:21   Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
     Rom 9:22   [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:      Rom 9:23   And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

God used Israel to make a point to all mankind..HE is sovereign..Dave the pot does not choose it's use nor does it "fire" itself..This is an example of the election of God..it is not all about YOU

Dave what did Jesus accomplish on the cross?

117 posted on 11/04/2002 7:20:22 AM PST by RnMomof7
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