Luther's 95 Thesis Happy Reformation Day

http://www.gty.org/~phil/history/95theses.htm ^ | Martin Luther

[SoothingDave]

Hey Dave, don't let Robby know that you are following the philosophy Luther. ;^)

Any Truth found in Luther's theses is sourced from the One True Church. The error is his own creation.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Purgatory negates the works of Christ..it is salvation by human works

Still at it, I see. Since you can not accept that God works through any type of channel, and you can not see how God works through men, it is not surprising that you feel this way.

What is surprising is that you believe in the Incarnation.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Curious though -- he couldn't quite bring himself to reject that magical "weighing station" in the sky created out of thin air -- 'Purgatory.'

It's not a "weighing station," it's a car wash.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Still at it, I see. Since you can not accept that God works through any type of channel, and you can not see how God works through men, it is not surprising that you feel this way.

God does work thru channels, no doubt, but Dave the thing about purgatory it benefits no one but the person taking part in the work. The HS working thru us is to help bring OTHERS to Christ. When a "work" is done that benefits no one but the person involved it is a work. Definition of work: Deeds leading to planned results.

Do you see what I mean and just don't agree, or do you just not understand this position.?

Becky

[SoothingDave]

God does work thru channels, no doubt, but Dave the thing about purgatory it benefits no one but the person taking part in the work. The HS working thru us is to help bring OTHERS to Christ. When a "work" is done that benefits no one but the person involved it is a work. Definition of work: Deeds leading to planned results.

I don't think I understand what you are saying. How does "purgatory" benefit no one but the person "taking part" in the "work." This is not clear. What do you mean?

SD

[RnMomof7]

Dave I know you study the Bible..It says CLEARLY that Christ paid the price once and for all..It says nothing about men having to finish it..

Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

[SoothingDave]

91. If, therefore, pardons were preached according to the spirit and mind of the pope, all these doubts would be readily resolved; nay, they would not exist.

In other words, if the people running around hawking indulgences had just obeyed the pope, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Too bad the effort at reforming the Church resulted in splintering.

SD

[RnMomof7]

It's not a "weighing station," it's a car wash.

Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Been washed and cleaned by the blood of the Lamb

[RnMomof7]

Too bad the effort at reforming the Church resulted in splintering.

Dave how can an INFALLIBLE church make that kind of "mistake" that needs "correcting"? How can a church that is led by the Holy Spirit and is charged with interpretation of the word and will of God make that kind of an error?

How can a church that is infallible NOT listen when a man led of God asks them to look at this error?

Ichabod  ...the spirt has departed

[SoothingDave]

Dave I know you study the Bible..It says CLEARLY that Christ paid the price once and for all..It says nothing about men having to finish it..

It has to be applied to us.

Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

So are you now "perfect?"

SD

[SoothingDave]

It's not a "weighing station," it's a car wash.

Been washed and cleaned by the blood of the Lamb

Yes, exactly. Why do you think Purgatory is not the process of being washed and cleaned by the Blood of the Lamb?

SD

[SoothingDave]

Dave how can an INFALLIBLE church make that kind of "mistake" that needs "correcting"? How can a church that is led by the Holy Spirit and is charged with interpretation of the word and will of God make that kind of an error? How can a church that is infallible NOT listen when a man led of God asks them to look at this error?

The Pope teaches infallibly. That other men fail to heed the teaching does not make the Church fallbile.

How many years have you been on FR? When will you actually learn the difference between infallibility and impceeibility?

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I wasn't sure what you meant either:) I think that happens alot on these thread.

Were you saying that going to purgatory was God, (HS) working thru a channel to purify a believer?

Becky

[RnMomof7]

God sees me as He sees His son I am covered by the righteousness of Christ..

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

[RnMomof7]

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[RnMomof7]

No purgatory is a car wash..you go you get cleaned by a little bit of burning....YOU YOU YOU

CHRIST...CHRIST...CHRIST

Phl 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

[RnMomof7]

So the pope did not know that funds to build His palace were coming by men "buying" off God's judgement? Ichabod

[SoothingDave]

I wasn't sure what you meant either:) I think that happens alot on these thread.

Amen, sister!

Were you saying that going to purgatory was God, (HS) working thru a channel to purify a believer?

Well, Mom said that purgatory "negated the work of Christ." And I said that Purgatory was exactly the work of Christ. It is Christ purifying us, because of the power of His Sacrifice.

A person in Purgatory does not "need" to have anyone pray for him or say a Mass for him. He will make it to Heaven.

But God always gives us more than we need, so we can pray to help each other out. I can (through the power of God woring through me) do good works. And when I do good works I can "donate" the merit that might be earned from the work to someone who needs God's grace more than I. It's called charity.

And one class of people who need God's grace badly are those in Purgatory.

SD

[Catholicguy]

<> I was just reading through this textf. All this work of Father (I thought that title impermissible?) Luther; doesn't the fact this is a work render it nugatory?<>

[SoothingDave]

God sees me as He sees His son I am covered by the righteousness of Christ..

So, I repeat, are you now perfect? Will you ever be perfect?

Or is this as good as it gets?

SD