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To: RnMomof7
Note that the coin does not go looking for it's owner it is helpless and inert ...The parable of the lost sheep is similar

If you notice, I only mentioned the parables of the coin and the sheep as a reference to the placement of the parable of the prodigal son. I did not mention them, in and of themselves, as any basis for my argument. So, everything you say here is fine, but has no bearing on the point I was trying to make about the parable of the prodigal son.

This parable speaks of the backslider and the security of the believer. ..it says nothing about a hole in a heart seeking after God..

You can pigeon-hole this parable down to merely one meaning if you like, however I think there are a lot of different levels it can be look at. Besides, if that parable is really only about the security of the believer, then it is a pretty lousy one.

The inability of any man to keep the law PERFECTLY condemns all mankind...That is why we need a Savior..that is the point of Pauls letter to the Romans ..YOU need Christ, you can not save yourself. You will stand in judgemet and without the covering of rightousness of Christ you are LOST..it says nothing about man seeking Christ or a hole in His heart.

What, are you related to Jessie, who also kept misrepresenting what I say? I have never once said that we do not need a Savior, I have never once said that I can save myself, I have never said that I can get by without the covering of righteousness of Christ. Sheeze.

If you find a scripture on the hole in mans heart that is seeking God let me know.

Never mind. You and your worldview are obviously very happy together. Good luck and God bless on your life together.

958 posted on 10/04/2002 9:06:33 AM PDT by ponyespresso
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To: ponyespresso
What, are you related to Jessie, who also kept misrepresenting what I say? I have never once said that we do not need a Savior, I have never once said that I can save myself, I have never said that I can get by without the covering of righteousness of Christ. Sheeze.

No Jessie and I have our share of differences..we are not joined at the hip. But I do like him :>)

I did not say you said man did not need a savior. I did not read that in your post...I am simply trying to get you to think through your thought that all men seek after God.

BUT that being said your assertion that man wants the God of Righteouness ,the God that will change their heart and put HIM on the throne instead of themselves is silly..just look around you.

Men have a knowledge in their hearts that there is a god..on that we agree...but remember Eden? What was the "promise " that made Eve bite? YOU shall be as Gods. Men want to sit on the throne of their own heart. They do not want to cede Lordship of their life unless it is under their conditions.

So when the carnal , unregenerate man goes looking for a god he makes sure it is one He is comfortable with...a God that lets them stay married in heaven and have as many wives as ya want..Yep we have a god like that step right over here...A god that will "absorb "you into the godhead ..yep he is behind door number two...A god that will not make any judgements and deal only with "ethical behavior...yep look behind door 4

Men do not want to give up their seat on the throne of their life..they want to fashion heaven .They want to be gods

Pony what did Paul mean when he said "there is none that understand? " What blocks their understanding? What did he mean that" none seeketh after God?"

That is the issue ..I was not hitting at your belief in needing a savior

965 posted on 10/04/2002 9:30:03 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ponyespresso
You can pigeon-hole this parable down to merely one meaning if you like, however I think there are a lot of different levels it can be look at.

I think this is an interesting statement in light of the previous question I asked you regarding the experiential/doctrinal spectrum. I have understood that prophecy can have multi-layered meaning in time. I'm wondering if you believe that parables are in the same category in that they can have multiple meanings to different individuals or if they teach one objective truth or set of truths?

1,020 posted on 10/05/2002 10:01:49 AM PDT by lockeliberty
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