[RnMomof7]

I am glad you mentioned that Rochester...The word Know implies an intimate knowlege..as a husband and wife..it is not a casual peek into time as you have said

And another excellent point..If our election is based on God knowing that we would accept him ..one does wonde how Israel was "elected"

xzins does know better He has read Romans..I think he just wanted to say something *grin*

BTW I suspect I have missed 1/3 of the posts......this was too quick

[RochesterFan]

Mom, I notice that our opponents have not been able to fault the exegesis. Thanks for holding down the fort and maintaining the ping list....

Let's cite them another verse to think about... Gen 20:3-6

But God came to Abimelech in a dream of the night, and said to him, "Behold, you are a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is married." Now Abimelech had not come near her; and he said, "Lord, will You slay a nation, even though blameless? "Did he not himself say to me, ‘She is my sister’? And she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’ In the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands I have done this." Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know that in the integrity of your heart you have done this, and I also kept you from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her.

Here we see the Lord overiding the will (the sinful desires) of a pagan (Abimilech) to keep him from sin. I welcome such violation of my "free-choice" by God!!!