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To: SoothingDave
2. Does God always get what He wants?

Ultimately, yes. The better question is "do we know what He wants all the time"?

Does God want people to be damned to hell for all eternity? Or is it His wish that all be saved?

259 posted on 10/01/2002 8:53:28 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo; SoothingDave; RnMomof7; xzins
Does God want people to be damned to hell for all eternity? Or is it His wish that all be saved?

Oh..Oh..Oh..let me...let me answer that. :)

It is wrong, and a very strange thing, indeed, to define a doctrine of the sovereignty of God which goes counter to what that God has said about Himself!

The Westminster Confession says, "By the decree of God ... some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and OTHERS FOREORDAINED TO EVERLASTING DEATH. These angels and men, thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and UNCHANGEABLY DESIGNED; and their number is so certain and definite, THAT IT CANNOT BE EITHER INCREASED OR DIMINISHED. ... they who are elected ... are effectually called unto faith in Christ ... NEITHER ARE ANY OTHER REDEEMED by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, BUT THE ELECT ONLY."

This is erroneous human philosophy, and it makes out God to be a liar, but the Bible plainly says salvation is for whosoever will (Jn. 3:16; Re. 22:17). The Bible repeats this and repeats this and repeats this. The Bible says Christ "gave himself a ransom FOR ALL" (1 Ti. 2:6).

He purchased even wicked false teachers who are lost and on their way to Hell; when these men deny the biblical Jesus Christ, the Bible says they deny "the Lord that bought them" (2 Pe. 2:1). He bought them, though they are damned and on their way to Hell! Away with any man-made doctrine of limited atonement.

BigMack

268 posted on 10/01/2002 9:00:39 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: angelo
Does God want people to be damned to hell for all eternity? Or is it His wish that all be saved?

It's a mystery. I think we can say that He would rather that we all choose to come to Him. But since He set us free, He knows that a consequence of setting us free is that some will never return.

So in one sense, He tells us He desires that we all be saved.

But in the sense that he created the world that He did, free, He created a world where not all will be saved. So His desire as expressed in His action is that not all will be saved.

SD

277 posted on 10/01/2002 9:06:22 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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