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To: RnMomof7
So to me the order is..regeneration (born again), repentance ,conversion (saved) To Mack and Becky the order would be repentance,conversion (saved), regenerated into a new creature..(born again)

That was a concise and excellent explanation. Thanks Mom!

Reform doctrine says man is spiritually dead because of the fall...that means he must be Born again( regenerated )before he can desire to be saved.

Would the doctrine then be that only certain people are predestined to be "born again" and thus to desire being saved? This sounds very foreign to me; I'm more familiar with the "order of salvation" teaching as held by Mack and Becky.

As for myself, I'm even farther away from your position than Mack and Becky are, because I do not accept a doctrine of original sin.

184 posted on 10/01/2002 6:54:03 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Would the doctrine then be that only certain people are predestined to be "born again" and thus to desire being saved? This sounds very foreign to me; I'm more familiar with the "order of salvation" teaching as held by Mack and Becky. The apostle John is very specific; belief is a result of the new birth, not the cause of the new birth. Unfortunately, until you experience a new birth and become a child of the Most High, you will not see that the kingdom of God is already upon us and the Christ sits upon the throne of David.
260 posted on 10/01/2002 8:54:47 AM PDT by CCWoody
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