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To: RnMomof7
So God failed?

Not in the least! I quote again:

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

He provided the way. We have a choice.

132 posted on 09/30/2002 8:03:20 PM PDT by computerjunkie
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To: computerjunkie
CJ read 2 Peter in context ..who is he talking to?

2Peter 3:9: God is "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

BUT: "any" or "all" of what? Dogs? Chickens? There must be an antecedent to the pronouns. In 3:3-7, Peter is discussing "them" (i.e. unbelievers). In verse 8 he addresses the "beloved." The beloved are those to whom the epistle is addressed, "those who have obtained a like precious faith with us" (1:1). Thus, God is not will willing that any of the BELOVED should perish. And, since God gets everything He wants, this verse becomes a proof-text for eternal security. Moreover, the context of this passage is when the end of the world will come (3:7,10). Peter is teaching that God will wait until "all" have a chance to repent. If "all" refers to everyone who has lived or will live, then the world would never end as new people are being born all the time! But if the reference is to all of God’s people, then the world will end when the last of the elect (a large but finite number) has repented and believed.

136 posted on 09/30/2002 8:11:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: computerjunkie
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

We all agree on this CJ..the question is who WILL believe? Why will some believe and not others?

137 posted on 09/30/2002 8:14:20 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: computerjunkie
When Peter says "any", one must ask "any what?" Context is critical here. Look closely at 2 Pet 1:1 "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" and 2 Pet 3:1. "This is now, beloved, ..." Peter is clearly addressing believers. Peter is saying that God is waiting for all believers (i.e. the last one) before returning. To conclude that Peter means "any human" means that God is no longer sovereign over His creation. The rest of the Scriptures are loaded with clear statements that such is not the case. I will happily supply multiple examples of such clear statements in the Scriptures if they will help you...
139 posted on 09/30/2002 8:14:57 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: computerjunkie
You are my friend and I hesitate to ask a confrontive question ..but here goes...

He provided the way. We have a choice

Was anyone saved at the cross?Is it possible that Jesus might have died in vain?

140 posted on 09/30/2002 8:18:20 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: computerjunkie
I believe God "predestined" everybody.

He provided the way. We have a choice.

Um, if God predestined everybody, then what choice do we have?

194 posted on 10/01/2002 7:07:35 AM PDT by malakhi
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