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Actually, I called your belief that there would be "death" in the new heavens and new earth a "lie from the pit of hell."

You believe that in the brand new heavens and the brand new earth that death is gonna be a normal occurrence. The Ambassador said you do. You said you do.

If there's gonna be death there, why do you think God bothers to recreate? And, oh...btw....what do these folks DO that warrants the death penalty?

"Actually, I called your belief that there would be "death" in the new heavens and new earth a "lie from the pit of hell." "

Of course, I wasn't claiming that at all. I'm not suprised that you thought so. You have demonstrated a difficulty in reading comprehension before.

No, I said that a literal interpretation of that text would require ~you~ to conclude that ~God's~ people will live only as long as trees then die.

Of course, amillennialists (and myself) believe that there will be no death at all in the New Heavens and the New Earth. Because we understand the metaphors being used in Isaiah 65, we rightfully divide the scriptures to conclude that this passage is ~actually~ prophecying a New Heavens and New Earth will have no death at all!

Notice, btw, that our 'symbolic' interpretation leads to a literal and physical reality of no death during the New Heavens and the New Earth.

On the other hand, your insistance that we interpret this passage literally leads ~you~ (not me or theAmbassador) to the necessary conclusion that the "millennial kingdom" (which is no where mentioned in that passage but, apparantly, pops out of 'thin air') will have ~God's~ people living only as long as trees!

Furthermore, a stricly literal interpretion will render the any "millennial kingdom" useless. We won't remember it anyway (or anything else from the past, for that matter)! "17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Yup, x! Proof indeed! LOL!

Jean

You believe that in the brand new heavens and the brand new earth that death is gonna be a normal occurrence. The Ambassador said you do. You said you do.

Incorrect. Your unBiblical literalist interpretation of Isaiah 65 demands that there is death among the saints on the New earth:

Isaiah 65:22 As the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people.

The problem for you is that you called this interpretation a "lie from the pit of hell!" I agree as does every single Amillennial lurker out there. The literalist Premillennial interpretation of Isaiah 65:17-25 ~IS~ a LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL.

However, if you concede that the Amillennialist is correct in maintaining that verse 22 is only a metaphorical reference to the tree of life and to Jesus for the length of days of the people of God, then you must also concede that the child dying at 100 is also metaphorical and your entire LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL Premillennialist interpretation falls apart like a house of cards.

It really does take a spiritual bonehead to not at least recognize that the days of a tree in verse 22 is LITERALLY forever, no matter what your eschatology. The problem is that I meet far too many persons such as yourself who cling to their eschatology, even when it is exploding in their face.

Our Final Victory

at the last trumpet

the dead will be raised incorruptible

So when this corruptible has put on incorruption

then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

And that my friend, is the honest gospel truth.

However, you tell me that the Dead will be raised incorruptible when Christ returns to setup the Millennial kingdom on this corruptible earth. You must therefore accept that when this happens that "Death is swallowed up in victory." Unfortunately, you Premillennialists tell me that death will linger around for another 1000 years. And that ~IS~ a LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL.