Since the millennial kingdom on earth is irrefutable, and it is the starting point, then we have 3 places to put the deaths mentioned in Is 65.
1. On the earth NOW. (Isa 65 now is only true if it's also true that people live to great ages and youths die at 100 years old.)
2. In the millennial kingdom among the non-resurrected persons who will also inhabit that kingdom all of whom obey in the Lord, many of whom trust in the Lord so that He calls them "MY People." (Many will follow Satan at the end of the 1000 years.)
3. In the New Heavens and the New Earth where there is no death.
Premillennialism places them in the millennial kingdom among those who are not in their resurrection bodies.
Amillennialism places them in the New Heavens and the New Earth, even though it is clear that there is no more death in the New Heavens and New Earth from Rev 21:4, "death will be no more."
Ergo, the true biblical doctrine is premillennialism.
xzins, you are a great and funny guy, but sometimes the Calvinists just don't have anything on you when it comes to stubborn refusal to see things any way but your own.
If this is obviously a description of the millennial kingdom...
(and your argument on that matter -1 Cor 15, Rev 5:10, Rev 20- is ~far~ from irrefutuable -LOL! -again, you yourself are not yet convinced, but you want to be so you are using these terms like "irrefutable" to attempt to convince yourself)
...and if ~God's~ people live forever beginning at their resurrection and or reception of glorified bodies, then why does Isaiah 65:22 tell us that God's people will live only as long as trees?????
This one really blew up in your face, x. Just face it! LOL!
You can't deal with the tense change in Rev 20:6.
You can't deal with that Rev 5:10 is speaking, not of 20:4,5, but of Rev 22:5.
You can't deal with the fact that the people who are alive in the body which John sees in 20:4 cannot possibly be participants in the Resurrection of the ~DEAD~ since they are not dead and the 'resurrection of the ~DEAD~ only happens to an individual who has died!
1 Cor 15 doesn't help you out in any way! LOL!
You've found the need to lie about the theology of the early church by claiming they were all Pre-Millennialists!
The arguments which you have so far presented are all rather silly and are leading me to the conclusion that you still have not been, in reality, convinced of pre-millennialism but are so desperate to convince yourself -thus you speak the way you speak -"irrefutable" et. al.
In otherwords, your claim of an "irrefutable argument" is classic projection! You are not yet convinced yourself, but you so desperately want to be that you intentionally misread passages like 2 Peter 3 and Isaiah 65 when they are quite clearly descriptions which contradict your desired Pre-Millennialism!
Jean