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To: editor-surveyor; fortheDeclaration; Woodkirk; nobdysfool; jude24; the_doc; RnMomof7; ...
Editor, something just dawned on me after I posted to doc a few posts up. I'd copy/pasted this:

The meaning of our text, as opened up by the context, is most evidently, if words mean anything, first, that there shall be a political restoration of the Jews to their own land and to their own nationality; and then, secondly, there is in the text, and in the context, a most plain declaration, that there shall be a spiritual restoration, a conversion in fact, of the tribes of Israel.

And then it hit me.

Spurgeon wrote that in 1865 or so.

Israel was NOT at that point restored to their identity and their land. In fact, that didn't happen until about 80 years AFTERWARDS, and AFTER Spurgeon's death!

Spurgeon was looking to the FUTURE for that event.

And, HALELUJAH!!...It occurred according to the power of God EXACTLY as Spurgeon's PREMILLENIAL view of his beloved BIBLE said it would.

12 posted on 09/12/2002 8:42:45 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
"Spurgeon wrote that in 1865 or so."

And it needs to be noted that the commentaries by Darby, and Scofield were written long before the fulfillments occurred, and essentially as they interpreted them.

These were true men of God, who were guided by the Holy Spirit to show the people of their day the correct reading of God's word. - It is the words of their detractors that are a demonic trap.

17 posted on 09/12/2002 8:59:02 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: xzins
The restoration of Israel kills the AMil position xzings..Funny I was just thinking about that earlier today...you are right .
26 posted on 09/12/2002 9:53:26 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: xzins; maestro
Great post! Is this something that you were looking for?
His ancient people, the seed of Abraham, shall be gathered in with exultation. We will clap our hands when the longwandering nation shall turn unto the true God, and own the rejected Messiah, of the house of David!

the Gentiles will not be jealous. They will rejoice as the Jew comes in; and then will the Jews rejoice over the Gentiles, as they see them worshipping Abraham's God. Everything that is to come in the eternal future flashes light into the eyes of believers, and calls upon them to rejoice in anticipation. Nothing prophesied should be dreaded by us. There is nothing foretold by seer, or beheld in vision, that can alarm the Christian. He can stand serenely on the brink of the great eternity, and say, "Come on! Let every event foretold become a fact! Pour out your vials, ye angels! Fall, thou star called Wormwood! Come, Gog and Magog, to the last great battle of Armageddon!"

Spurgeon appears to have been an 'historical' Premillennialist.

He seems to confuse the eternal state with the Millennial one, not noticing that a the Millennial state must precede the eternal one.

Classical Premillennialist went the other route and spiritualized the eternal state, by making it a place where only those with Resurrection bodies would reside. (those in resurrection bodies do not need to take from the tree for healing of the nations Rev.22:2)

Thus, they ignored the differences between Rev.20 and 21-22.

47 posted on 09/12/2002 12:21:23 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: xzins
Ain't prophesy grand?
54 posted on 09/12/2002 12:42:56 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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