Posted on 09/12/2002 7:19:20 AM PDT by xzins
When most kids are little and mischief happens, they say their invisible friend did it.
You can tell the Calvinist because he's the one who says, "God stole the cookie."
Hebrews 4:12!
Rev 20 is like 1Tim.2:4 or 2Pet.3:9!
To understand life in the Millennial Kingdom one has to read the Old Testament Prophets (Isa 11, 65,66, Jer.31, Ezek. 40-44, Hos.14, Amos.9, Zech.14)
Even within Calvinism there is a 'permissive will' view (Chafer, Ryrie).
Nothing happens unless God allows it to happen but that is far from saying that God wants it to happen.
Ofcourse, I might have misspoke regarding dr.steves own views on the subject.
However, if one believes that everything that happens on Earth happens because God's directive will (including yours and my sins?) then God's will would be being done 'on Earth as it is in Heaven'
In the Old Testament Christ was approached through an altar.
In the New Testament, He is remembered (His Person, work, and return) by the Lord's Supper and in the Millennial, He will be approached while on a throne.
Thus, all three aspects of the Lord's function as Prophet, Priest and King are completed.
Cymbals.....symbiotic
It's classic dualist, the kingdom of God version of push-me-pull-you. We keep each other honest about scripture.
Winston, I've always maintained that it's those who try to cram their doctrine down another's throat that I fight against. With a different approach, I'd be far more willing to just discuss and recognize mutual strengths and weaknesses. There's something about being called demonic, hateful, bratty, anti-christ, etc. that puts fizz in my soda, if you know what I mean.
There are amill believers here and one post-mill with whom a great conversation could be held....but not on these pages. It'd have to be via freepmail or on an entirely different forum.
Amillennialism is the preferred teaching of religious liberals. All who teach it are not religious liberals, but it is the preferrred teaching of religious liberals. I have NEVER heard of a religious liberal who adopted the premill position. (That alone should say something.)
Likewise with the word, irrefutable. If it were refuted as you said, then it wouldn't still be here, would it? Irrefutable means incapable of being proven WRONG. With Rev 5, Rev 20, and 1 Co 15 on premill's side, it has not been and never will be PROVEN Wrong. It can only be proven right or wrong by the events themselves transpiring.
The fact that it cannot be PROVEN wrong does not make it RIGHT. But it does make it a legitimate contender for being the right answer.
The big problem with amillennialism is that it cannot point to any place in scripture that succinctly summarizes that viewpoint in the same manner as premillennialism can point to Rev 20. That alone elevates premill above amill.
However, while I think premill is definitely the better position, I do keep amill in mind. The biggest problem with amill is its need to SYMBOLIZE just about everything it encounters. THAT IS WHY liberals love it. If you can symbolize every difficulty as a method of interpretation, then liberalism will walk right THROUGH that door with a big grin on its face!
It defeated it but it didn't destroy it....otherwise my Aunt Ruth and Uncle Hubert would be standing here talking with me. But they ain't. They're in the graveyard, under earth, in a casket. Their spirits are with the Lord.
Your correct. Death has not yet been destroyed. That will happen at the resurrection when we are given our spiritual, glorified bodies!
1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, ~then~ shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
I'd be remiss to note that your Pre-Millennial 'millennial kingdom' which happens after the resurrection has death occurring through out it! This is in complete contradiction to what 1 Corinthians 15 tells us!
Your 1 Corinthians 15 'proof' has blown up in your face!
Jean
you haven't even touched it. but you are real cutesy at end zone demonstrations....are you an NFL endzone prance fan?!!
can we call this the "chauvin shuffle" !! LOL! :>)
NO? So, you see it totally consistent that you have Death being destroyed ("swallowed up") at the Resurrection but that the "millennial kingdom" has death throughout?
Feel free to explain....I'm all ears! LOL!
After that, you can explain why it is that the "millennial kingdom" you've inserted in Isaiah 65:18 has God's people living only as long as trees!?!
(nice dodge, btw)
Jean
can we call this the "chauvin shuffle" !! LOL! :>)"
Your getting testy again, x ;)
(Hey -at least I actually make it into the endzone! -LOL -even your put downs blow up in your face.)
That's your typical M.O. when your 'proof' blows up in your face! We've seen it frequently before! I'm sure we'll see it again!
But I'm sure when you find another "a-ha" article which fools you into thinking you're convinced of premillennialism, we'll see renewed vigor.
For the mean time, I'll be content to watch how you weave and dodge with your response to theAmbassador
Jean
Doesn't count if you're called back on a penalty...
Careful there. I can't point to a single place in scripture that succinctly summarizes the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Nevertheless, it is a wholly Biblical and foundational doctrine. Additionally, many heresies (not that I'm labelling your eschatology as such) are born of people taking one "succinct" portion of Scripture and running with it.
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