Spurgeon's View of the MILLENNIUM

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[xzins]

aaarrrrggghhhhh!!!

in joseph?????

now yer just messin' with me. :>)

[JesseShurun]

Yes, the Hebrew is very interesting in its play on words sometimes. Sepher, sephar, sippur, text, number, speech. The first writing was cuniform.

[JesseShurun]

Seriously, I am not messing with you. I like you.

[JesseShurun]

Either you accept that Christ was born of the Holy Spirit or you don't. If you don't and like some Jews want to argue vain geneologies, then 1 John 4:2-3 says it all.

[RnMomof7]

I am an equal opportunity hitter:>)

[xzins]

goobs!?!

lol

[The Grammarian]

Cool gif. Know where the image is from?

[nate4one]

Not unless he is in the buisness of teaching apologies.

I am sorry.

It just so happened I was frustrated in my mind over some discussions off line, so I went off on your comment.

(Extracting foot from mouth)...

Nate

[fortheDeclaration]

My concern with your model is that it may change or render null some of the very important messianic prophecies of the last minor prophets irregardless of any eschatological implications. It appears that your model totally discounts Mary's lineage.I think it's important that we don't discount Mary's lineage. Here is why I think Mary's lineage is important:

Exactly!

Mary is in the line of Nathan, who is in the Davidic line (being a brother of Solomon 2Sam.5:14)

Her marriage to Joseph, gave Christ the legal right to rule, and her blood line, fulfilled the Davidic convenant that one a heir from David's blood would rule on the throne (2Sam.7:14)

[nate4one]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him,.......

Whosoever being those God has chosen for salvation.

The hour is coming in which ALL who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth....

All being those who were dead at the time of the resurrection spoken of.
In AD 70!!

You pick and choose when to use the logical Calvinist interpretation styles. Only when it suits your purposes.

"Whosoever" dependant on the "predestined" verses of scripture.
"ALL" dependant on the time text of scripture.

[fortheDeclaration]

1.The Messiah will be a descent of David through Solomon.

Here is where O POPY makes one of his famous unsupported presuppositions.

It never says that the descent would be through Solomon, the Davidic covenant states,(2Sam.7:16) And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established forever before thee, thy throne shall be established forever.

In the previous verse God promises not to treat Solomon as He did Saul.

How did God treat Saul?

He gave the inheritence to an entirely different blood line.

In the case of Solomon, while his blood line was cut off, the Davidic line was not, it came through Nathan.

[RnMomof7]

a bump to any I missed

What do you think of thsi article?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/770360/posts?page=1

[fortheDeclaration]

The only inference that I can draw is that ftd believes that the Lord is not now reigning in heaven. Please take it up with the one who acts like a spiritual Tare.

You have the weirdest thought pattern in a person I ever saw!

We are talking about rulership on earth (where the Millennial Kingdom is going to be)

The prayer that I cited to you in Matthew states that is when we know we have the Millennial Kingdom, when God's will is being done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

[xzins]

Interestingly, in today's strict judaistic sects a real Jew is one whose MOTHER was a Jew. They don't especially like conversions, and a Jewish mother is absolute genetic proof that the children are at least partially Jewish.

[fortheDeclaration]

Also, if he inherited the promises as an adopted son, would he not also have inherited the sin nature (or is that blood thing?)?

No, Christ did not have a sin nature because that nature comes through the father and it is traced right back to the first Adam. (Rom.5)

The blood you bring up is interesting because Christ did not have human blood but God's blood, Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers to feed the Church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood (Acts.20:28)

Thus, Christ had God's blood in His veins, being begotten by God Himself. (Jn.1:18, Lk.1:35, Matt.1:20)

This is a great mystery (1Tim.3:16)

[fortheDeclaration]

Interestingly, in today's strict judaistic sects a real Jew is one whose MOTHER was a Jew. They don't especially like conversions, and a Jewish mother is absolute genetic proof that the children are at least partially Jewish.

Yes, I have heard that.

The 'Jewish blood' line goes through the mother not through the father.

I wonder if that is a late development, which would be interesting, since it would prepare for the Lord's rightful rule.

[CCWoody]

Ok, so it is your contention that the Hebrew Sepher (I thought it was Cepher) is a play on words as the earliest "books" were the Cunieform tablet writing. Interesting. Do you have anything on this?

[xzins]

I'm sure of it. I had an army buddy, a Rabbi visit last week. He was all upset because their converts were being rejected by the orthodox. Then he got into the "mother" lineage test and got apoplectic.

[lockeliberty]

I'm not saying that OP's model is completely wrong but just not complete. Both lineages are listed and both are important and both need to be factored in.

[fortheDeclaration]

I'm not saying that OP's model is completely wrong but just not complete. Both lineages are listed and both are important and both need to be factored in.

OP's model is dead wrong.

He has assumed that the Davidic line has to come through Solomon.

What verse says that?

The promise was that the house of David would rule.

Nathan is a brother of Solomon, a son of David, thus the house of David.

This is not even an issue!