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To: P-Marlowe
He knows everything that has happened or will happened. His foreknowledge of events, however, is not dependent upon my inability to exercise my own free will or his inability to grant such free will to man.

Yes it is Marlowe.

Because by your reckoning God has had to take into account every act of every man before he could make a decision or declare a prophecy..in effect man has controlled God and prophecy .God has simply reacted to what he knew man would do..

To make God's foreknowledge dependent upon his controling everyone's actions is to reduce God's omnipotence to knowing only those things that he causes. (which consequently makes him the cause of all sin).

No the only thing that restrains the evil in the heart of man is God general grace..God does not have to make man sin..that is all man wants to do..

What God does know is how he made each man .

Another poster wanted to discuss Judas..do I think that God made Judas betray Jesus ? NO..Was God in complete control of those events YES...

God knew that Judas had a pervasive sin of greed in his heart , because He had made him .Gods grace restrained that evil intent untill the moment came for the plan of God to be fulfilled..God removed that restraining force of grace and Judas acted EXACTLY as it was his desire and his will to act. God did not force him..yet God was in complete control.

88 posted on 09/13/2002 10:28:16 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
God knew that Judas had a pervasive sin of greed in his heart , because He had made him .Gods grace restrained that evil intent untill the moment came for the plan of God to be fulfilled..God removed that restraining force of grace and Judas acted EXACTLY as it was his desire and his will to act. God did not force him..yet God was in complete control.

Are you saying God had Judas commit suicide?

90 posted on 09/13/2002 10:59:46 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: RnMomof7
God removed that restraining force of grace and Judas acted EXACTLY as it was his desire and his will to act. God did not force him..yet God was in complete control.

John 13, 2...says that the Devil put into the heart of Judas to betray Christ.
92 posted on 09/13/2002 11:20:25 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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