[JMJ333]

They are there, but not defined as it is taught. And I see it didn't take you long to throw in an insult about the "average RC" as if we're a bunch of morons. You guys are the ones who can't even be honest enough to admit who promulgated the doctrine. And since you clearly think that scripture lays it out crystal clear, maybe you can tell me who your Authority is for you interpretation. I have asked wrigley and cc, but so far I haven't gotten an answer. How do you know your using inspired doctrine since it was compiled by Rome?

[the_doc]

Oh, I don't think you RCs are a "bunch of morons." I just regard you as unregenerate.

That often seems to wind up in the same place, but it's not the same thing. It's like the difference betweeen intelligence issues and wisdom issues.

To illustrate, I definitely don't think it's wise for you to allege that the orthodox statement of the doctrine of the Trinity cannot be derived from the Bible. It definitely can be derived from the Bible, as I pointed out to you--which fact you were not wise enough to respect.

(Do you see my dilemma? You are surely intelligent, but you are not discerning enough to keep out of trouble. [You just don't know the Scriptures, neither the Power of God.])

Interestingly, the reason why the orthodox formula for the Trinity is derivable from the Bible is because that's precisely where the early councils of the Church got the formula. No question about it.

So, the doctrine of the Trinity is an exception which proves the rule of our complaints against RCism.