[MarMema]

Ever read the Gulag Archipelago? What you describe is no different from the many places and times evil was able to thrive. Insidious onset with the hearty addition of some blind and ignorant followers just like our friend JM. No doubt the public schools are assisting, because we don't need critical thinking skills to guard the faith. Just follow the pope, no matter what his background or spirituality. Office is office and no one ever gets into office by being corrupt.

Just what do you think was the origin of this kind of mess? The RC church has always been innovative and made things up as it went along. Fast on Fridays, no never mind. The list is endless, beginning with the filioque.

After all homosexuality is only one more fad to follow.

[JMJ333]

You call Pope John Paul II a modernist when the man has undoubtedly done more than anyone alive to crush the beast of modernism, through his excellent encyclicals, the Catechism, through evangelistic travels, through his courageous defense of the male priesthood, preborn children, the oppressed, reason, etc.

You must lack faith in the Holy Spirit's guidance of His Church through thick and thin. The Church has always had problems, but we must take a long view of history. Modernism will not be defeated in a day. But it will be defeated.

I find it extremely humorous and ironic that you accuse us of being modernist for simply defending the pope's supreme and preeminent authority. And those who you admire on this forum who undermine it by cafeteria-like selectivity and an imprudent appeal to conscience a la Luther are supposedly the true Guardians of Catholic Tradition! LOL. Papal supremacy dies the death of a thousand qualifications at the hands of people like ultima and HDMZ. What better way to undermine papal authority than this? Incrementalism is Satan's ploy.