Montini, antipope Paul VI, posing with the six protestant ministers who helped the apostate Bugnini formulate the heretical new mass.Care to prove that protestants formulated the new Mass? They were mere observers, just as Protestants observed the Council of Trent, and were allowed to comment on it..
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Cardinal Ottaviani published an intervention, not a condemnation.
“To abandon a liturgical tradition which for four centuries was both the sign and pledge of unity of worship (and to replace it with another which cannot but be a sign of division by virtue of the countless liberties implicitly authorised, and which teems with insinuations or manifest errors against the integrity of the Catholic religion) is, we feel in conscience bound to proclaim, an incalculable error. “ – Letter from Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci to His Holiness Paul VI accompanying the Critical Study
This is not a condemnation???
He published it before the Novus Ordo was finalized.
The letter and accompanying Critical Study (later named the Ottaviani Intervention) were presented after the Novus Ordo was promulgated in 1969. The Novus Ordo was set to be made obligatory on November 30, 1969. It was precisely because of the actions of Bacci and Ottaviani that the Novus Ordo was delayed and revised.
After discussions with the Pope and further revisions, he withdrew the intervention. You rely on his authority and his objections for your position, be he withdrew them, and so the very authority you cite speaks against you.
The circumstances of Ottaviani’s supposed retraction are extremeley suspicious. Bacci never recanted his position.
'7. At Mass or the Lord's Supper, the people of God are called together, with a priest presiding and acting in the person of Christ, to celebrate the memorial of the Lord or eucharistic sacrifice.13 For this reason Christ's promise applies supremely to such a local gathering together of the Church: "Where two or three come together in my name, there am I in their midst" (Mt. 18:20). For at the celebration of Mass, which perpetuates the sacrifice of the cross,14 Christ is really present to the assembly gathered in his name; he is present in the person of the minister, in his own word, and indeed substantially and permanently under the eucharistic elements.15"
The first sentence could be read two ways: “At the Lord’s Supper, the people of God are call together, with a priest presiding and acting in the person of Christ, to celebrate the memorial of the Lord.”
Or, “At Mass, the people of God are call together, with a priest presiding and acting in the person of Christ, to celebrate the eucharistic sacrifice.”
The first is Protestant, the second is Catholic. Guess which meaning all of the modernists in the church today read into it????
Care to prove that protestants formulated the new Mass?
No, but here's what they think of it.
"The new eucharistic prayers have a structure corresponding to that of the Lutheran Mass." – Roger Schultz, Protestant observer at Vatican II
"nothing in the renewed Mass need really trouble the Evangelical Protestant." - M. G. Siegle, Protestant professor of dogmatic theology.
They were mere observers, just as Protestants observed the Council of Trent, and were allowed to comment on it.
There were no Protestant observers at Trent. They were invited, but none came.
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<>One of the observers, Max Thurian, a protestant minister from Taize, converted and was ordained a Catholic Priest. I guess he conspired to make the Catholic Mass Protestant so he, a Protestant, could convert to Protestantism and be condemned by many of his former protestant friens. Fiendishly clever...<>