Posted on 08/23/2002 8:11:17 AM PDT by patent
LIMA, Aug 20. 02 (CWNews.com) -- The renegade Argentinean cleric who attempted the "ordination" of six Catholic women in Austria earlier this summer will soon perform a similar ceremony for four Latin American women, a Peruvian magazine has reported.
Caretas, a weekly edited in Lima, cited unnamed sources close to Romulo Antonio Braschi, a defrocked Argentinean Catholic priest and founder of the "Catholic-Apostolic Charismatic Church of Christ the King," saying that four Latin American women "are getting ready to be ordained on 2003 in Germany, with the support of some dissident bishops from the Catholic Church."
Answering questions to the Latin American news agency ACI Prensa, a source of Caretas said that the magazine could not supply the names or nationalities of the four women, or the identity of the "dissident bishops" who were alleged to support the effort. But the magazine's spokesman described the source of the story as "reliable."
On August 5, seven women-- four Germans, two Austrians, and one US citizen-- were formally excommunicated by the Vatican for having participated in the "ordination" ceremony.
In a warning released on July10, Cardinal Ratzinger stated "the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women," and added that "because the 'ordaining' bishop belongs to a schismatic community, it is also a serious attack on the unity of the Church."
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Four more idiot women!! What part of NO don't they understand? Here is a clear explanation on why ONLY MEN may be ordained to the catholic (RC) church.
Prepared by the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - Approved for Publication by His Holiness Pope Paul VI October 15, 1976
For the salvation offered by God to men and women, the union with him to which they are called, - in short, the Covenant - took on, from the Old Testament Prophets onwards, the privileged form of a nuptial mystery: for God the Chosen People is seen as his ardently loved spouse. Both Jewish and Christian tradition has discovered the depth of this intimacy of love by reading and rereading the Song of Songs; the divine Bridegroom will remain faithful even when the Bride betrays his love, when Israel is unfaithful to God (cf. Hos 1-3; Jer 2). When the "fullness of time" (Gal 4:4) comes, the Word, the Son of God, takes on flesh in order to establish and seal the new and eternal Covenant in his blood, which will be shed for many so that sins may be forgiven. His death will gather together again the scattered children of God; from his pierced side will be born the Church, as Eve was born from Adam's side. At that time there is fully and eternally accomplished the nuptial mystery proclaimed and hymned in the Old Testament: Christ is the Bridegroom; the Church is his Bride, whom he loves because he has gained her by his blood and made her glorious, holy and without blemish, and henceforth he is inseparable from her. This nuptial theme, which is developed from the Letters of Saint Paul onwards (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:22-23) to the writings of Saint John (cf. especially Jn 3:29; Rev 19:7,9), is present also in the Synoptic Gospels: the Bridegroom's friends must not fast as long as he is with them (cf. Mk 2:19); the Kingdom of Heaven is like a king who gave a feast for his son's wedding (cf. Mt 22:1-14). It is through this Scriptural language, all interwoven with symbols, and which expresses and affects man and woman in their profound identity, that there is revealed to us the mystery of God and Christ, a mystery which of itself is unfathomable.
That is why we can never ignore the fact that Christ is a man. And therefore, unless one is to disregard the importance of this symbolism for the economy of Revelation, it must be admitted that, in actions which demand the character or ordination in which Christ himself, the author of the Covenant, the Bridegroom and Head of the Church, is represented, exercising his ministry of salvation - which is in the highest degree the case of the Eucharist - his role (this is the original sense of the word "persona") must be taken by a man. This does not stem from any personal superiority of the latter in the order of values but only from a difference of fact on the level of functions and service.
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BTW, how come this guy doesn't adopt the "necessity because of an emergency" arguement? :)
BTW, how come this guy doesn't adopt the "necessity because of an emergency" arguement? :)I tend to think it would be nearly the same argument. JPII wont let us have them, we have to save our liberal traditions, etc. The only real difference is that the liberals dont care if they are following the rules so they dont bother making the claim. The Traditionalists have to believe that they are following the law. Thats why the one priest (the only priest in the Catholic community, apparently) studied Canon law and decided that his laity could make him Pope, he could consecrate them as bishops, and they could then consecrate him as a bishop, or something like that, all more or less simultaneously, under the Churchs rules:
Given the scenario that there is only one priest after the papal election, there are two possibilities. If that priest becomes the Pope, he immediately can ordain a priest. The papacy gives him the temporary cables, so he can ordain and consecrate bishops. If a layman becomes the Pope he can give to the priest, the temporary cables, and then that priest can make the Pope a bishop. In either case, EUREKA the Church is set up perfectly, in Orders and in jurisdiction. It would be a shame if the newly elected Pope could be held hostage by a true bishop in petitioning Holy Orders from that bishop. Let me explain the holiness of the situation. What do we read in the Easter Mass?The conclave:
I think its absolutely amazing what you can find in Church law:
Background Planning and logistics for the election occurred over the past 3 years, and in 1998 the Catholic Church was ready and eager for the election. The Conclave to elect the pope was conducted with voting coming from worldwide electors of the Remnant Catholic Church. As there were no Cardinals alive at the start of the Conclave, Natural Law allows for Catholics, clergy and laymen, to be the electorate to vote for the pope. This is because the Church as a perfect society must have the means to restore it visible head, the pope.The Conclave Committee, a group of 3 Catholic laymen, with the approval of the electorate, organized the logistics for the Conclave. One of the main pre-requisites for conducting a valid election was to verify that the electorate was indeed Catholic. (Note that the reason why prior attempts failed was precisely because the electors were in some way non-Catholic.) Accordingly, each elector signed 2 documents attesting to his/her Catholic standing. These documents included such items as baptism, age, beliefs with respect to Vatican II, affirming non-association with any Vatican II (Novus Ordo) individual(s), and other such items which would prove or dis-prove the elector's Catholicity.
The Conclave
On the evening before the start of the Conclave, the Conclave Committee took an oath of secrecy in front of the Blessed Sacrament, pledging to Almighty God that they would never reveal any of the proceedings or votes that transpired within the Conclave.The Conclave Committee, with all the plans in place, did gather in a central place to administer the voting. Conclave voting began on October 23, 1998 at 1:00 PM, US Mountain Time. Each ballot, according to plans, would be of 24 hours duration.
Since the electorate, being a worldwide body, without the financial means or resources to gather in the central place for the Conclave, cast ballots using todays God-given technology of the telephone. Security of voting was ensured using secret and unique voting codes assigned to each elector to authenticate each vote. The Conclave Committee triple-checked each vote as it arrived as well as each other to ensure the accuracy and integrity of the proceedings.
White Smoke
When the 24 hours had elapsed for Ballot 1, a tally was taken of the votes. The tally was triple-checked again by the committee for accuracy. A vote of 2/3 (plus 1) was needed to elect. The Dean of the Committee according to pre-arranged procedures, contacted the elect to ask if he accepted the papacy. When Fr. Pulvermacher accepted, at that very moment, the papacy was restored. The Dean also asked by what name he wished to be called. Fr. Pulvermacher indicated the name of Pius XIII, and that his choice of name would proclaim to the world that the last true pope was his predecessor, Pius XII.White smoke from the burning of ballots at the Vatican was the traditional way of informing the world that a pope has been elected. The excitement and anticipation of seeing the new pope emerge is always a great joy for Catholics. As this election was conducted in a way much different from the traditional method, the College of Electors was notified via telephone that Habemus Papam! or We have a pope! This was followed by announcing to the world via any and every means available, including Newspapers, TV and Radio Stations, Internet, and Short Wave Radio.
To follow in the spirit of conclaves past, however, the ballots were burned in a wood stove and white smoke ascended to the mountains of Montana. The image to the right is the actual white smoke of the Conclave of 1998. Instead of hundreds of thousands of cheering faithful in Vatican square, the white smoke was seen only by a handful of the faithful, as well as by God's creatures of the forest.
The Principle of Intrinsic Cessation of Ecclesiastical Law
by Cardinal Amleto CicognaniSince Church law is purely ecclesiastical, it is subject to the principle of intrinsic cessation as expounded by Cardinal Amleto Cicognani. It has profound implications with regard to the Conclave of 1998 run by the Remnant Church. As there are no Cardinals left from the pontificate of Pius XII, and since the Church law for Conclaves specifies that Cardinals elect the pope, this principle comes into direct focus.
Preface
"Canon 21 and the two Canons following treat of the cessation of ecclesiastical law. Here it is asked: How is one to presume that the legislator revokes his law and that therefore the law ceases to exist?"In treating of the elements of law we saw that it is proper and fitting that a law should be stable and firm. However, every law has its element of uncertainty, for the reasons and the purpose for which the law was made can change, and consequently, since law is an ordinance in accordance with reason, it ought to be revoked if it becomes useless, harmful, or unreasonable; and if it has not actually been revoked, it is to be reasonably presumed to be revoked. For its purpose is the soul of law, and a law without a soul lapses, ceases to exist, it dies."
And from p. 627: "A law ceases intrinsically when its purpose ceases; the law ceases of itself ... The law ceases extrinsically when it is revoked by the Superior;...The end (either its purpose or its cause) of the law ceases adequately when all of its purposes cease; inadequately, when only some particular purpose ceases... The purpose of the law ceases contrariwise when an injurious law becomes either unjust or impossible of observance; or negatively, when the law becomes useless; universally, when the purpose of the law ceases with respect to all subjects or the majority of subjects; or particularly, with respect to some individual.
Three cases can occur:
- If the purpose of the law ceases inadequately only, the law ceases neither for the community nor for the individuals, for the reason or soul of the law still exists.
- If the purpose of the law ceases adequately and contrariwise for the community, the law ceases for the entire community.
- If it ceases adequately though negatively for the community, in practice we can hold that the law ceases, according to the majority of canonists."
On this basis, we can conclude that the ecclesiastical law governing the election of the pope has ceased intrinsically (ie. no valid Cardinals being alive), adequately, contrariwise (because it is impossible of observance) and universally. Therefore Number 2 applies, namely, the law ceases for the entire community.
ConclusionGiven the cessation of Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis, other means were sought for the valid election of Pius XII's successor. The investigation determined that the Remnant Church possessed this right (and duty). The Remnant Church has exercised this right in Conclave of 1998 to a successful conclusion, and should God in the future present the Church with a similar situation, the Church would again exercise this right in the event of the default of the normally qualified Cardinals.
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Of course, the soi disant "Traditionalists" will tend to take a diffeerent view of these things - still Lefebvre was only a Bishop and the Montana Pope outranks him...hmmmmmmm
Sometimes humor makes the more more effectively than anything else. Thanks for the laugh
Its a neat way to pay homage to Apostolic succession, while ignoring the succession part. ;-) If the Bishop's authority is passed from one to the next by the laying on of hands, etc., how does that authority suddenly appear in this case? Who had it first, to pass it to the other?
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