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To: White Mountain; RnMomof7
In your mind, birth equals creation out of nothing. It wasn't that way with Jesus. It wasn't that way with us, either our physical birth here or our spirit birth before this world was.

Did you catch that? See, in LDS theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth. God and his wife actually were people who lived on another world (Kolob, I think) and attained godhood and were allowed to be gods over our world in their afterlife. Jesus, while being a spirit baby in heaven like you or I, was created on earth through sexual intercourse between God and Mary (yet she maintained her virginity supposedly because it was intercourse with an immortal man).

It's funny, I grew up with a lot of LDS friends and neighbors and they never told me any of this stuff. Wonder why......

10 posted on 08/25/2002 2:02:22 PM PDT by ponyespresso
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To: ponyespresso
I am aware of the doctrines of exhaultation ..I do think it is taught by their missionaries before conversion.But I do not think it is normally discussed otherwise.
11 posted on 08/25/2002 3:14:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ponyespresso; RnMomof7
As Terry (RnMomof7) will tell you, my policy is to stick to the Scriptures. The Scriptures are very forthright in declaring that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God the Eternal Father, referring to our life here in mortality, and the Firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29), referring to our life before this world was. We understand these things literally. We do not try to explain them away in a figurative sense.

Now it is true that "born" and "birth" imply a Mother as well as a Father. Birth also implies a higher manifestation of the conjugal activity by which children are conceived here. But you will notice that the Scriptures do not directly state those things, and are very modest in this area, for example, "Adam knew his wife Eve, and she conceived and bare Cain".

The process by which children come into this world is very sacred indeed. People don't generally go around talking about the way their children were conceived, or the way their parents conceived them, so if people don't bring such things up in ordinary conversation, that's good. It is sacred.

12 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:12 PM PDT by White Mountain
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