Posted on 08/23/2002 8:10:26 AM PDT by White Mountain
If you were to find any such writings or teachings, they would just be speculation, and that person's opinion.
Also, see the second paragraph in the article above regarding the use of the word "intelligences" in the Book of Abraham.
Since you are asking me about what we believe, your question should be: Can I show it from the LDS Scriptures?
Click on the link at the end of post #15. You will find there the verses I quoted in #15, and more. I stopped at the end of the Bible passages in that one particular topic because Terry was asking for Biblical indications.
The fundamental questions are, as always, is Joseph Smith a true prophet of God, a true apostle of Jesus Christ, with the same authority to give us these Scriptures that the ancient apostles had? Are the LDS Scriptures the Word of God? Jesus said, "Ask, and it shall be given you." The Holy Spirit bears witness, as do I, that these things are true and of God.
I think you know that this is our practice, rather than proof-texting.
Matthew 7:7-11
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
D&C 46:9
9 For verily I say unto you, they [the gifts of the Spirit] are given for the benefit of those who love me and keep all my commandments, and him that seeketh so to do; that all may be benefited that seek or that ask of me, that ask and not for a sign that they may consume it upon their lusts.
(Lurkers, get ready for the burning-bosom jokes, and claims that this is asking for a sign.)
Who, in your opinion, are the sons of God, mentioned in Job 38:4-7, who "shouted for joy" when God "laid the foundations of the earth"? If it wasn't us, who was it, and why would the creation of this earth cause them to shout for joy?
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Seems to me it's pretty hard to return to some place where you've never been before.
How is it that you are so eager to jump to this conclusion? This does not help your credibility.
I have shown support and will continue. There is also lots of good information in latter-day revelation.
Who says that "we were the angels of heaven before we were born" is a "foundational LDS view"? To say that we lived in heaven with God as His children before we were born would be more like it.
I would save this sort of post for matters that affect our salvation. For example, rejecting the prophets and apostles that are sent to us can definitely affect our salvation.
When Jesus speaks, and His words are carefully taken down and solemnly published to the world, attested by witnesses, and you reject it because of the apostle He spoke through, because of the messenger, that could be a problem. Can you really say in that case that you believe all His words and accept His authority?
Go to this thread, the article of which tries to show that the New Testament is full of errors and therefore false, and convince the man who wrote it, solely from the Hebrew Bible, that the Law of Moses is fulfilled and that we are to partake of the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper instead of performing the sacrificial ordinances of the Law of Moses. Then tell him that the Sabbath day is now Sunday and prove that from the Old Testament.
I refer you again to the fundamental questions in my #23.
I refer you again to my #15, and invite you again to click on the link, which will take you to a page where there are many other links.
James 1:5-8
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Book of Mormon, Moroni 10:3-5
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
Revelation 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Psalms 8:4-5
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Luke 20:35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Romans 8:17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
D&C 88:107
107 And then shall the angels be crowned with the glory of his might, and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.
... and even more to the point, the foundation is apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone.
Ephesians 2:19-20
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
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