[RnMomof7]

Go I have looked and found NO Direct quotes to Matthew and infact some seem not at all connected or only broadly..I decided that the RC church does not know how to cross reference scripture or they are desperate to tie this non inspired literature to Jesus..Yes the Jews shared a common culture that would have included some literature but that does not make it infallible or inspired . SHOW ME SOME DIRECT QUOTES
Here are some of my findings I did Matthew and decided it is a waste of time and energy




Matthew 4:4 Wisdom 16:26.......................deut 8:3
Matthew 4:15 1 Maccabees 5:15 .............Isa 9;1
Matthew 5:18 Baruch 4:1
Matthew 5:28 Sirach 9:8............ 2 Sam11;2-5, Job31;1
Matthew 5:2ss Sirach 25:7-12............???no relationship visible
Matthew 5:4 Sirach 48:24....???no relationship
Matthew 6:7 Sirach 7:14.....1 kings 18:26
Matthew 6:9 Sirach 23:1, 4......ps38;9,69;17-19
Matthew 6:10 1 Maccabees 3:60.....(no such verse..chapter ends at 59)
Matthew 6:12 Sirach 28:2........EX34;7, Ps 32;1
Matthew 6:13 Sirach 33:1........... no quote
Matthew 6:20 Sirach 29:10s...no quote ,
Matthew 6:23 Sirach 14:10 ........no quote
Matthew 6:33 Wisdom 7:11......no quote
Matthew 7:12 Tobit 4:15........no quote
Matthew 7:12 Sirach 31:15......no quote
Matthew 7:16 Sirach 27:6.......no quote ,broad connection
Matthew 8:11 Baruch 4:37...........Isa49;12
Matthew 8:21 Tobit 4:3.......no quote broad application to Dan 7:13, actually poor application to Tobit it misuses the "saying "as understood by the Jews

Matthew 9:36 Judith 11:19.....Numbers 27;17,Ezk34;5,Zech 10;2
Matthew 9:38 1 Maccabees 12:17.......No relationship
Matthew 10:16 Sirach 13:17...LOL no relationship
Matthew 11:14 Sirach 48:10...Mal 4;5
Matthew 11:22 Judith 16:17.......Not a quote indirect application
Matthew 11:25 Tobit 7:17 Ps 8:2 (indirect ) Tobit no relationship
Matthew 11:25 Sirach 51:1...just a praise verse no quote
Matthew 11:28 Sirach 24:19....Jer 31;25 (indirect no quote)...no relationship to Sirach

Matthew 11:28 Sirach 51:23......no quote ..Poor relationship
Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:24s...no quote poor relationship
Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:28s...no quote poor relationship
Matthew 11:29 Sirach 51:26s..no quote fair relationship..direct quote Jer 6;16
Matthew 12:4 2 Maccabees 10:3......no quote poor relationship
Matthew 12:5 Sirach 40:15...no quote no relationship
Matthew 13:44 Sirach 20:30s........no quote no relationship
Matthew 16:18 Wisdom 16:13........no quote no relationship
Matthew 16:22 1 Maccabees 2:21.....no quote no relationship
Matthew 16:27 Sirach 35:22... Pro 24 ;12..no direct quote but application to Sirach
Matthew 17:11 Sirach 48:10......no quote nor relationship
Matthew 18:10 Tobit 12:15.......no quote , no relationship
Matthew 20:2 Tobit 5:15...no quote , no relationship
Matthew 22:13 Wisdom 17:2...........no quote no direct application
Matthew 23:38 Tobit 14:4..........1 kings 9;7f, Jer22;5 (direct reference) Tobit no quote good application)
Matthew 24:15 1 Maccabees 1:54 ......Dan9;27 (stated as a quote of daniel in the text) Poor Mccabees application
Matthew 24:15 2 Maccabees 8:17...no quote no direct application ( this is a historical application)
Matthew 24:16 1 Maccabees 2:28....... No quote No prophetic application..historic one only
Matthew 25:35 Tobit 4:17........Isa 58;7, Ezek 18 7, 16.....NOapplication infact seems the opposite
Matthew 25:36 Sirach 7:32-35......Isa 58;7,Ezek18;7, Job31;32 No direct quote to sirach..good application)
Matthew 26:38 Sirach 37:2..no quote
Matthew 27:24 Daniel 13:46........Deut 21 6-8
Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:13......almost direct from Ps 22;8...no direct application in Wisdom
Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:18-20 no direct quote fair application

I quit here it is a waste of time. there are NO DIRECT quotes from the mouth of Jesus

For others that would like to kill some time here is a link

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/alpha.htm

[Gophack]

Are you saying because there are "no direct quotes from Jesus" that everything the apostles said is irrelevant? Are you suggesting that these books WEREN'T in the bible commonly used by the apostles and other Jews at the time of Jesus?

[Gophack]

By the way, I will grant you that James Akin, scripture scholar, wrote at the beginning of the list (which you must have read):

Hebrews 11:35 is an indisputable reference to 2 Maccabees 7, but many are not so clear as there may be only a single phrase that echoes one in a deuterocanonical book (and this may not be obvious in the translation, but only the original languages).

This is the same with New Testament references to the protocanonical books of the Old Testament. How many New Testament references there are to the Old Testament depends in large measure on what you are going to count as a reference.

As a result, many scholarly works simply give an enormous catalogue of all proposed references and leave it to the individual interpreter to decide whether a given reference is actual or not.

So, he concedes that this is a list that has been put together, but someone with training in translations and scripture and history should go through each phrase and determine whether it is a specific reference, or not.

Still, I will maintain that no one has refuted that these books were in the bible of the time of the apostles and Jesus Christ and if they were, why would they not today be considered Scripture?

[Gophack]

I found this historical account (NOT written by a Catholic) which I thought was very interesting on the canon of Scripture. You might find it interesting as well. It doesn't not definitively conclude that Protestants or Catholics are right or wrong, but brings a historical perspective the the debate which is useful.

The Old Testament Canon

God bless.