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To: Polycarp
But you are fighting the wrong people. Your quarrel is not with traditionalists--who merely oppose what has not been handed-down, who oppose what is obviously novel and contrary to what has always been understood and taught. No, your quarrel is with those who teach these new doctrines. When has the Catholic Church ever taught that the Jews do right to await their messiah--when it is clearly understood by all that they are waiting for someone who is other than the Jesus whom they have already rejected?

This is a novel doctrine--and Vatican I warned that "the Holy Spirit was not promised to the Successors of Peter so that they might disclose a new doctrine" but only to protect what they have received. (canon 3.) The Pope also took an oath to protect Traditional teachings and not to alter them in any way. Do you seriously believe he has kept this oath?

You are in the position of blaming those who simply point out what is obvious: that the chain of novelties that has poured out of Rome since Vatican II is unprecedented--and destructive of the faith as well as past magisterial teachings. This is cause for alarm--not a time to rally around the Pope who engineers radical innovations in the name of a minor council. Vatican II is being belatedly invoked to legitimize a modernist revolution within the Church.



15 posted on 08/19/2002 9:18:51 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
When has the Catholic Church ever taught that the Jews do right to await their messiah

I'm actually reading the Pontifical document very carefully, very slowly. So far I've read over half of it, and no where does this document say that the Jews do right to await their messiah, so far.

I think we all need to ignore the media coverage and actually debate the document itself before we accuse Ratzinger of introducing a novel doctrine, right?

17 posted on 08/19/2002 9:35:52 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: ultima ratio
This is a novel doctrine

Let me clarify:

Yes, I agree that the American USCCB document is heretical, absolutely.

But I'm currently carefully reading the Pontifical Biblical Commission document signed off by Ratzinger.

The Vatican document does NOT say its time to stop evangelizing the Jews.

The Vatican document (from what I have stidied so far, over half the document) does NOT say Jews wait for their messiah is not in vain.

To clarify then...

Yes, this American document is heretical.

No, the Vatican document is not heretical.

19 posted on 08/19/2002 9:44:47 AM PDT by Polycarp
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